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Backup/Restore

Mr. J
Friends: I'm using Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu 20.04, and have
been using it happily for years.  Recently, because of user error,
I've become more diligent in backing up.  I would like, however, to be
able to do an incremental backup rather than wait the time necessary
for the Evolution to back up everything. Is there such an animal
available within the Evolution program? If not, do any of the other
programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?

Thank you for the support.

Ira J

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Re: Backup/Restore

Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 17:47 -0800, Mr. J wrote:

> Friends: I'm using Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu 20.04, and
> have
> been using it happily for years.  Recently, because of user error,
> I've become more diligent in backing up.  I would like, however, to
> be
> able to do an incremental backup rather than wait the time necessary
> for the Evolution to back up everything. Is there such an animal
> available within the Evolution program? If not, do any of the other
> programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
> recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?
> Thank you for the support.

I, and I suspect most people, simply rsync $HOME to as external block
storage / filesystem.  That is as incremental as it gets.

The --link-dest allows the creation of very efficient [object level
duplication] incremental backups which are trivial to manage and
navigate.

Depending on the type of accounts you use in Evolution much of the DATA
may not be locally persistent.

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Re: Backup/Restore

Patrick O'Callaghan
In reply to this post by Mr. J
On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 17:47 -0800, Mr. J wrote:
> Friends: I'm using Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu 20.04, and have
> been using it happily for years.  Recently, because of user error,
> I've become more diligent in backing up.  I would like, however, to be
> able to do an incremental backup rather than wait the time necessary
> for the Evolution to back up everything. Is there such an animal
> available within the Evolution program? If not, do any of the other
> programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
> recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?

Questions of this sort have come up before. The plain fact is that the
Backup and Restore options are easy to misinterpret (I've suggested
changing the names but we haven't come up with anything suitable so
far). They are not meant as a substitute for your normal backup
procedures. Their focus is on saving your data when you're doing a
major system upgrade or switching to a different system, and even then
they don't back up everything. To quote from the Help:

"The backup saves your settings, mail, contacts, tasks, memos and
calendars. It will be stored in a gzip-compressed tar archive file."

so no mention of address book or filter settings for example. And a
compressed tar file is not something that can be updated incrementally.

Use a real automated backup system, of which there are several good
ones available in Linux. Most of them support incremental backup, so
there's no need to reinvent the wheel for Evo.

poc

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Re: Backup/Restore

Pete Biggs
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> If not, do any of the other
> programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
> recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?
>
Evolution's data files are largely text based, there's nothing magical
about them. They are successfully backed and restored by any normal
backup program.

Evolution's data storage locations are in the application Help if you
want to specifically back them up.

If you use IMAP though, your mail is largely held on a server somewhere
else and makes local backups less critical.

P.




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Re: Backup/Restore

Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 12:51 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > If not, do any of the other
> > programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
> > recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?
> Evolution's data files are largely text based, there's nothing magical
> about them. They are successfully backed and restored by any normal
> backup program.
> Evolution's data storage locations are in the application Help if you
> want to specifically back them up.

See https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/data-storage.html.en

An advantage of CalDAV/CardDAV/IMAP is that one only needs to attend to
backing up the configuration as the data remains on a server - - -
which one presumes has a true backup procedure.
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Re: Backup/Restore

Mr. J
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On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 12:51 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:

> > If not, do any of the other
> > programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
> > recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?
> >
> Evolution's data files are largely text based, there's nothing
> magical
> about them. They are successfully backed and restored by any normal
> backup program.
>
> Evolution's data storage locations are in the application Help if
> you
> want to specifically back them up.
>
> If you use IMAP though, your mail is largely held on a server
> somewhere
> else and makes local backups less critical.
>
> P.
>

Thanks to you and ATW.  For reasons I'm not quite able to articulate,
I never tried to restore (or back up Evolution) with Deja-Dup.  I've
now switched to Lucky, and will try your suggestions.

Thanks again.
Ira

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Re: Backup/Restore

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 11:58 -0800, Mr. J wrote:

> On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 12:51 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > If not, do any of the other
> > > programs (i.e. Deja-Dup or Lucky Backup) allow one to back up and
> > > recover the then up-to-date Evolution data?
> > >
> > Evolution's data files are largely text based, there's nothing
> > magical
> > about them. They are successfully backed and restored by any normal
> > backup program.
> >
> > Evolution's data storage locations are in the application Help if
> > you
> > want to specifically back them up.
> >
> > If you use IMAP though, your mail is largely held on a server
> > somewhere
> > else and makes local backups less critical.
> >
> > P.
> >
>
> Thanks to you and ATW.  For reasons I'm not quite able to articulate,
> I never tried to restore (or back up Evolution) with Deja-Dup.  I've
> now switched to Lucky, and will try your suggestions.

I hadn't heard of Lucky Backup but its web page says that development
is "virtually frozen". It's dated 2009. Personally I've used rsnapshot
(also based on rsync) and am now using Borgmatic, a wrapper for Borg,
which like Deja Dup does deduplication. There are many other options.

poc

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Re: Backup/Restore

Mr. J
On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 22:58 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 11:58 -0800, Mr. J wrote:
>
> I hadn't heard of Lucky Backup but its web page says that
> development
> is "virtually frozen". It's dated 2009. Personally I've used
> rsnapshot
> (also based on rsync) and am now using Borgmatic, a wrapper for
> Borg,
> which like Deja Dup does deduplication. There are many other
> options.
>
> poc
>
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Funny you should mention it: I tried using Lucky on the Evolution
folder, and after three tries, waiting at least 40 minutes on the 3rd,
the program was stalled (read: "actually frozen") at 3%. Lucky is
still offered on Ubuntu Software; I'll look elsewhere.  

Ira
 

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Re: Backup/Restore

Pete Biggs
On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 15:44 -0800, Mr. J wrote:

> On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 22:58 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 11:58 -0800, Mr. J wrote:
> >
> > I hadn't heard of Lucky Backup but its web page says that
> > development
> > is "virtually frozen". It's dated 2009. Personally I've used
> > rsnapshot
> > (also based on rsync) and am now using Borgmatic, a wrapper for
> > Borg,
> > which like Deja Dup does deduplication. There are many other
> > options.
> >
> > poc
> >
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>
> Funny you should mention it: I tried using Lucky on the Evolution
> folder, and after three tries, waiting at least 40 minutes on the 3rd,
> the program was stalled (read: "actually frozen") at 3%. Lucky is
> still offered on Ubuntu Software; I'll look elsewhere.  
>

Personally I use restic to backup my home machine.

P.


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