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adg adg82439
Hi Milan,

is tis the message structure you mentioned?

Can You see a reason why it isn't received well?

Jo


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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Milan Crha
On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 11:20 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> is tis the message structure you mentioned?

        Hi,
yes, it's it. It shows that the message had been received as:

   multipart/mixed
      text/plain
      application/pgp-encrypted; name="ATT00001"
      application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc"

> Can You see a reason why it isn't received well?

I'd say that the message had been received well, but not processed in a
way which would decrypt the encrypted part automatically. It's the way
the server returned it, not the way Evolution constructed it.

The structure made by Evolution looks like this:

   multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"
      application/pgp-encrypted
      application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc"

which is the standard way of doing these things.

As you can see, the server changed the top Content-Type to
multipart/mixed and added a text/plain part there. Is there anything
interesting in that text/plain part? In case it doesn't contain any
private information, could you share it, please? I'm just wondering
what the server decided to add there.

I've an ancient email from GroupWise (it dates back to 2009), which has
similar structure as the one from the Exchange (Hotmail/Outlook.com)
server, only without that text/plain subpart. It's not decrypted here
too.
        Bye,
        Milan

P.S.: by the way, for some reason, your message didn't make it into the
correct thread again, even it pretends to be a reply. It looks odd,
because these things work reliably in Evolution. I suppose you didn't
do Reply to the message received in the mail list, did you? Ctrl+L
works for me, though some users prefer Reply-All (that's useful when
replying to users whom are not on the list, which is not the case for
me).
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Milan Crha
On Thu, 2017-07-27 at 08:30 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> Is there anything
> interesting in that text/plain part? In case it doesn't contain any
> private information, could you share it, please? I'm just wondering
> what the server decided to add there.

        Hi,
never mind, I found an Exchange server (I connect to it with
evolution-ews), and it breaks the message the same way as the Hotmail
server. The added text/plain part is particularly empty. The message
copy in the Sent Items folder is the same as Evolution sent it, thus
it's the receiving part of the Exchange server which garbles the
message. It looks like they insist to have at least empty text in the
message, which the encrypted message doesn't have, thus they add it on
their own. Signed-only messages are not affected.

The only way is to add a workaround into Evolution for such broken
servers. I thought there's a bug for it in the GNOME bugzilla, but I
cannot find it at the moment.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Milan Crha
On Thu, 2017-07-27 at 09:20 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> The only way is to add a workaround into Evolution for such broken
> servers.

        Hi,
I did so and added the workaround for evolution 3.25.90+ [1]
and 3.24.5+ [2].

The empty text/plain part is still shown there, just in case it would
provide anything useful in the future.
        Bye,
        Milan

[1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=4643f76
[2] https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=9ab281d
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Ángel González
Hello Milan

I see you added a workaround for reading such broken messages, however I
think it'd be more important to avoid sending such bad messages [when
using evolution-ews].
I have opened Bug 785840 for this.


As the requisite appears to be that there must a plain text part, I
suggest sending:

 multipart/alternative
   text/plain
   multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"
      application/pgp-encrypted
      application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc"


With the text/plain part being a dconf-customizable text like
«This is a PGP encrypted message but your mail user agent does not
support reading PGP/MIME emails. Please ask the provider of your email
client to support PGP/MIME (RFC3156) for an optimal experience.
As a workaround, in case your email client does allow you to download
the file named encrypted.asc, you may be able to decrypt it using an
external program.»


(Yes, it's overly long, but some people need a decent amount of
hand-holding for being able to deal with PGP messages, eg. they expect
that an encrypted email should appear as an attachment)


Best regards

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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

adg adg82439
Am Freitag, den 04.08.2017, 21:34 +0200 schrieb Ángel:
Hello Milan

I see you added a workaround for reading such broken messages, however I
think it'd be more important to avoid sending such bad messages [when
using evolution-ews].
I have opened Bug 785840 for this.


As the requisite appears to be that there must a plain text part, I
suggest sending:

 multipart/alternative
   text/plain
   multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"
      application/pgp-encrypted
      application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc"


With the text/plain part being a dconf-customizable text like 
«This is a PGP encrypted message but your mail user agent does not
support reading PGP/MIME emails. Please ask the provider of your email
client to support PGP/MIME (RFC3156) for an optimal experience.
As a workaround, in case your email client does allow you to download
the file named encrypted.asc, you may be able to decrypt it using an
external program.»


(Yes, it's overly long, but some people need a decent amount of
hand-holding for being able to deal with PGP messages, eg. they expect
that an encrypted email should appear as an attachment)



Hello,

my Problem is, 
when I use Evolution 3.18.5.2 to create and send an encrypted email to send it over my hotmail account to another account 
i.e. Google - the same Evolution did recognized the email as encrypted.

When encrypting and sending over my google account to my hotmail account it will be recognized.

(each acoount separate keys and IDs)

So I guess its maybe not Evolution alone, but I do not know what I could configure on my hotmail account or somewhere else.

regards

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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Andre Klapper
On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 09:30 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> So I guess its maybe not Evolution alone, but I do not know what I
> could configure on my hotmail account or somewhere else.

Might be a question for a Hotmail forum if it's not an Evolution issue?

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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Milan Crha
        Hi,

On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 23:33 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 09:30 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> > So I guess its maybe not Evolution alone, but I do not know what I
> > could configure on my hotmail account or somewhere else.
>
> Might be a question for a Hotmail forum if it's not an Evolution
> issue?

Right, it is not an Evolution issue. The problem is that Hotmail server
(and basically Microsoft Exchange servers) garble a GPG
signed/encrypted messages when it's a multipart, when it's received
through the transport layer (from the outside, like through SMTP and
the like).

On Fri, 2017-08-04 at 21:34 +0200, Ángel wrote:
> I see you added a workaround for reading such broken messages,
> however I think it'd be more important to avoid sending such bad
> messages [when using evolution-ews].
> I have opened Bug 785840 for this.

I'm not much keen to pre-garble the message in evolution(-ews/-mapi),
that doesn't sound right at all. I know there are tweaks here and there
in the code to support servers with certain issues, but why to add
more? There is no benefit for it. Since the change I made in evolution
is able to decrypt/verify signature even on such messages changed by
the Exchange servers, which it is just supposed to be. The way it is
done also shows that text/plain part in the message preview, currently
an empty line above the actual message body - that's for the case when
there would be something sane written. Your proposal would cause it to
be shown always, which is a no go.

I'm also not wanting to try to catch the right message body structure
for Exchange server version X, and then they'll change it in version Y,
or even in an update of version X, and then the extra code would
misbehave. This is really not the way to go.

I'm pretty satisfied with the current state (after the "workaround" in
evolution code). It's for the latest stable only, of course, but it's
not "my problem", that there are people stuck with ancient versions.
They can always ask maintainers of the distribution to backport the
changes, where some can be easy, some not. The maintainers are also
understaffed, sadly.

On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 09:30 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> I do not know what I could configure on my hotmail account or
> somewhere else.

There is no such server option for regular users, as far as I know. I
doubt there is any for the server admins, but as regular users cannot
change it anyway, then it doesn't matter that much.

There is an option in Evolution, Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts-><the
account>->Edit->Security tab->Pretty Good Privacy (OpenPGP) section
->Prefer inline sign/encrypt for plain text messages. That avoids the
multipart thing, thus the server doesn't garble the message structure
(untested, but as it's text/plain from the outside...). The only
disadvantage is that it works for plain text only, not for HTML
messages. Whether it's available also in 3.18.x I do not know, it's a
long time ago.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

adg adg82439
Am Montag, den 07.08.2017, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Milan Crha:
	Hi,
...

On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 09:30 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
I do not know what I could configure on my hotmail account or somewhere else.
There is no such server option for regular users, as far as I know. I doubt there is any for the server admins, but as regular users cannot change it anyway, then it doesn't matter that much. There is an option in Evolution, Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts-><the account>->Edit->Security tab->Pretty Good Privacy (OpenPGP) section ->Prefer inline sign/encrypt for plain text messages. That avoids the multipart thing, thus the server doesn't garble the message structure (untested, but as it's text/plain from the outside...). The only disadvantage is that it works for plain text only, not for HTML messages. Whether it's available also in 3.18.x I do not know, it's a long time ago. Bye, Milan
Thanks for mention that point. As my version doesnt have this PGP Option in security tab,
what is the version with these points included and from what repository i can download it, 
because my kubuntu 16.04 sticks on evolution 3.18.5.2?

regards Jo

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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 10:18 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> Thanks for mention that point. As my version doesnt have this PGP
> Option in security tab,
> what is the version with these points included and from what
> repository i can download it,
> because my kubuntu 16.04 sticks on evolution 3.18.5.2?

3.18 does include this by default:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.18/mail-encryption-gpg-set-up.html

Whatever crippled version you use, please contact your distribution.

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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

adg adg82439
Am Dienstag, den 08.08.2017, 20:37 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper:
On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 10:18 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
Thanks for mention that point. As my version doesnt have this PGP Option in security tab, what is the version with these points included and from what repository i can download it, because my kubuntu 16.04 sticks on evolution 3.18.5.2?
3.18 does include this by default: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.18/mail-encryption-gpg-set-up.html Whatever crippled version you use, please contact your distribution. andre
Am Dienstag, den 08.08.2017, 20:37 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper:
On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 10:18 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
Thanks for mention that point. As my version doesnt have this PGP Option in security tab, what is the version with these points included and from what repository i can download it, because my kubuntu 16.04 sticks on evolution 3.18.5.2?
3.18 does include this by default: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.18/mail-encryption-gpg-set-up.html Whatever crippled version you use, please contact your distribution. andre

Here is maybe a misunderstanding.

There is an option in Evolution, 
Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts-><the account>->Edit->Security tab->Pretty Good Privacy (OpenPGP) section

->Prefer inline sign/encrypt for plain text messages.   <<= Only this I cant find

That avoids the multipart thing, thus the server doesn't garble the message structure
(untested, but as it's text/plain from the outside...). The only disadvantage is that it works for plain text only, not for HTML messages.

I miss only the  "Prefer inline sign/encrypt for plain text messages" in my 3.18.5.2 other PGP stuff is there.



Unfortunately I am to much Linux beginner to know where to find an ubuntupackage for a newer Release of Evolution.


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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 21:00 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> Here is maybe a misunderstanding.
[...]
> I miss only the  "Prefer inline sign/encrypt for plain text messages"
> in my 3.18.5.2 other PGP stuff is there.

Indeed, I misunderstood! I am sorry.

That option was added in Evolution version 3.20 and later, see
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758856#c7

> Unfortunately I am to much Linux beginner to know where to find an
> ubuntupackage for a newer Release of Evolution.

So far Ubuntu has deliberately shipped older versions. (This might
change in the nearer future.)
You may upgrade to a more recent version as 16.04 is from April 2016
and a Long-Term Support version (LTS) which will only see conservative
software updates. Or you could try to find and use some PPA repository
which offers a newer Evolution version. In any case, upgrade policies
or using PPAs is probably better discussed in an Ubuntu forum. :)

Cheers,
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

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On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 21:00 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> Unfortunately I am to much Linux beginner to know where to find an ubuntupackage for a newer Release of Evolution.

I can't help you there as I don't use Ubuntu. However I would ask you
to *please* configure Evolution to use proper quoting in replies. It's
almost impossible to understand which parts of this message are yours
and which are other peoples. Normally Evo uses conventional quoting by
default so this must be something you changed (Edit->Preferences-
>Composer->Replies and Forwarding). The Outlook style is not suitable
for use on mailing lists. It would also be a friendly gesture to use
plain text and not HTML, which annoys many people.

poc
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adg adg82439
Am Mittwoch, den 09.08.2017, 17:08 +0100 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:

> On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 21:00 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately I am to much Linux beginner to know where to find an
> > ubuntupackage for a newer Release of Evolution.
> I can't help you there as I don't use Ubuntu. However I would ask you
> to *please* configure Evolution to use proper quoting in replies.
> It's
> almost impossible to understand which parts of this message are yours
> and which are other peoples. Normally Evo uses conventional quoting
> by
> default so this must be something you changed (Edit->Preferences-
> >
> > Composer->Replies and Forwarding). The Outlook style is not
> > suitable
> for use on mailing lists. It would also be a friendly gesture to use
> plain text and not HTML, which annoys many people.
>
> poc
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I hope the changes are made correct
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Dominic Knight
In reply to this post by adg adg82439
On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 10:18 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:

> Am Montag, den 07.08.2017, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Milan Crha:
> > Hi,
> > ...
> >
> > On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 09:30 +0000, adg adg82439 wrote:
> > > I do not know what I could configure on my hotmail account or
> > > somewhere else.
> >
> > There is no such server option for regular users, as far as I know.
> > I
> > doubt there is any for the server admins, but as regular users
> > cannot
> > change it anyway, then it doesn't matter that much.
> >
> > There is an option in Evolution, Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts-
> > ><the 
> > account>->Edit->Security tab->Pretty Good Privacy (OpenPGP) section
> > ->Prefer inline sign/encrypt for plain text messages. That avoids
> > the
> > multipart thing, thus the server doesn't garble the message
> > structure
> > (untested, but as it's text/plain from the outside...). The only
> > disadvantage is that it works for plain text only, not for HTML
> > messages. Whether it's available also in 3.18.x I do not know, it's
> > a
> > long time ago.
> > Bye,
> > Milan
> >
>
> Thanks for mention that point. As my version doesnt have this PGP
> Option in security tab,
> what is the version with these points included and from what
> repository i can download it, 
> because my kubuntu 16.04 sticks on evolution 3.18.5.2?
>
> regards Jo
>
If you are brave, don't depend on your computer to be running instantly
if all fails and want to learn a little:
You may want to consider going down this route
https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/upgrade-ubuntu-16-10-to-17-04

but also may have to do it in stages and go down this route first
https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/upgrade-ubuntu-16-04-to-ubuntu-16-10

Which will end up with you getting the latest LTS 17.04 and Evolution
(3.22.6) as derived from Debian Stretch for the latest LTS Ubuntu.

As Andre already mentioned probably best to ask in an Ubuntu forum for
the best way, just trying to upgrade Evolution on 16.04 requires a dbus
upgrade (amongst others) too, which may end up with you crippling your
system without the many depends/requires installed in the correct
manner.
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Re: Evolution 3.18.5.2 Encryption with GPG from Hotmail Account message structure

Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2017-08-09 at 23:35 +0100, Dominic Knight wrote:
> Which will end up with you getting the latest LTS 17.04 and Evolution
> (3.22.6) as derived from Debian Stretch for the latest LTS Ubuntu.

Except that Ubuntu 17.04 is *not* an LTS version. *shrug*

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