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Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Japhering

Ok.  I've run into a situation where the owner of the domain will NOT allow the "allow less secure applications"
option to be used.

Is there any other way to get Evolution to not encounter said problem from Google?   Everything I've found so far
suggests that there isn't a alternate solution.

Thanks

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Pete Biggs

> Ok.  I've run into a situation where the owner of the domain will NOT
> allow the "allow less secure applications"
> option to be used.
>
> Is there any other way to get Evolution to not encounter said problem
> from Google?   Everything I've found so far
> suggests that there isn't a alternate solution.
>

You're going to have to give us more information.

   Like what is your version of Evolution?

   What are you trying to do?

   How are you creating the account in Evolution?

But I will say that I have 2FA turned on (and every one should!) which
means that it won't "allow less secure applications" and my Evolution
happily connects to my gmail account without any problems.

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Andre Klapper
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Hi,

On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 07:08 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> Ok.  I've run into a situation where the owner of the domain will NOT
> allow the "allow less secure applications"
> option to be used.
>
> Is there any other way to get Evolution to not encounter said problem
> from Google?   Everything I've found so far
> suggests that there isn't a alternate solution.

Please provide Evolution version information and steps to reproduce.
Is this about Google IMAP email accounts, or a Google calendar, or a
Google address book?

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Michael H Moran
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On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 13:32 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:

> >
> > Ok.  I've run into a situation where the owner of the domain will
> > NOT
> > allow the "allow less secure applications"
> > option to be used.
> >
> > Is there any other way to get Evolution to not encounter said
> > problem
> > from Google?   Everything I've found so far
> > suggests that there isn't a alternate solution.
> >
> You're going to have to give us more information.
>
>    Like what is your version of Evolution?
The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3,  which is Evolution
3.18.5.2
>
   What are you trying to do?


Create an Imap+ account in Evolution to give me access to a corporate
account where the only official way to access is via web client
( yuck ).  I've done it a few hundred times on domains where "allow
less secure apps" is set.  Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment, but on
average I have 6-8 different email accounts being handled through
Evolution ( I don't like Thunderbird ) and almost as many calendars
combined into one Evolution calendar.
>
   How are you creating the account in Evolution?


Through the normal Edit->Preferences->> Add route.  Everything creates
correctly, but I get the dreaded message, long with an email stating my
access has been blocked for the app and machine in question. The
machine part is a real pain, because it is my normal work machine.

>
But I will say that I have 2FA turned on (and every one should!) which
means that it won't "allow less secure applications" and my Evolution
happily connects to my gmail account without any problems.


What period do you set for collecting new emails?  I find I'm
frequently in locations for 2 plus hours where I can't have a phone but
still need to be able to retrieve my email and 2+ hours is too long to
be unable to provide the 2nd factor.  Weird yes, but the band is mainly
aimed a cameras.
>
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Japhering
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On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 13:32 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > Ok.  I've run into a situation where the owner of the domain will
> > NOT
> > allow the "allow less secure applications"
> > option to be used.
> > 
> > Is there any other way to get Evolution to not encounter said
> > problem
> > from Google?   Everything I've found so far
> > suggests that there isn't a alternate solution.
> > 
> You're going to have to give us more information.

>    Like what is your version of Evolution?

The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3,  which is Evolution
3.18.5.2

   What are you trying to do?


Create an Imap+ account in Evolution to give me access to a corporate
account where the only official way to access is via web client
( yuck ).  I've done it a few hundred times on domains where "allow
less secure apps" is set.  Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment, but on
average I have 6-8 different email accounts being handled through
Evolution ( I don't like Thunderbird ) and almost as many calendars
combined into one Evolution calendar.

   How are you creating the account in Evolution?


Through the normal Edit->Preferences->> Add route.  Everything creates
correctly, but I get the dreaded message, long with an email stating my
access has been blocked for the app and machine in question. The
machine part is a real pain, because it is my normal work machine.


But I will say that I have 2FA turned on (and every one should!) which
means that it won't "allow less secure applications" and my Evolution
happily connects to my gmail account without any problems.


What period do you set for collecting new emails?  I find I'm
frequently in locations for 2 plus hours where I can't have a phone but
still need to be able to retrieve my email and 2+ hours is too long to
be unable to provide the 2nd factor.  Weird yes, but the band is mainly
aimed a cameras.

P.

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Pete Biggs

> >
> >    Like what is your version of Evolution?
>
> The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3,  which is Evolution
> 3.18.5.2

I know people get frustrated with us saying this all the time, but that
is an old version and it doesn't have all the features necessary to
deal with evolving services like Gmail.

> >
>    What are you trying to do?
>
>
> Create an Imap+ account in Evolution to give me access to a corporate
> account where the only official way to access is via web client
> ( yuck ).  I've done it a few hundred times on domains where "allow
> less secure apps" is set.  Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment, but on
> average I have 6-8 different email accounts being handled through
> Evolution ( I don't like Thunderbird ) and almost as many calendars
> combined into one Evolution calendar.

I think it's important to understand what the differences are. Google
by default uses the OAuth2 mechanism for authentication. For things
that can't cope with OAuth2 the security can be lessened to use classic
username/password authentication. But there are restrictions in place
on whether OAuth2 can be dropped.


> >
>    How are you creating the account in Evolution?
>
>
> Through the normal Edit->Preferences->> Add route.  Everything creates
> correctly, but I get the dreaded message, long with an email stating my
> access has been blocked for the app and machine in question. The
> machine part is a real pain, because it is my normal work machine.

I'm not sure if 3.18.5 can deal with OAuth2. If it can, then you should
not explicitly set the account up as IMAP as that won't invoke the
OAuth2 mechanism.

If it can't, then your best bet is to use Gnome Online Accounts to
create the account in Evolution. GOA knows about OAuth2 and will deal
with all that side of thing while Evolution will deal with the data
like emails and calendar.


>
> >
> But I will say that I have 2FA turned on (and every one should!) which
> means that it won't "allow less secure applications" and my Evolution
> happily connects to my gmail account without any problems.
>
>
> What period do you set for collecting new emails?  I find I'm
> frequently in locations for 2 plus hours where I can't have a phone but
> still need to be able to retrieve my email and 2+ hours is too long to
> be unable to provide the 2nd factor.  Weird yes, but the band is mainly
> aimed a cameras.

I am logged into Gmail with OAuth2 so it doesn't continually need to
prompt me for 2FA - it's a once only thing.  (And my emails are set to
be retrieved every 5 mins, but that's not really relevant.)

P.

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Japhering
On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 15:01 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:

> >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Like what is your version of Evolution?
> > The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3,  which is
> > Evolution
> > 3.18.5.2
> I know people get frustrated with us saying this all the time, but
> that
> is an old version and it doesn't have all the features necessary to
> deal with evolving services like Gmail.

Unfortunately, that is all that is available without having to build
from scratch, at least until someone fixes the issue with the flatpak.

>

> >

   What are you trying to do?


Create an Imap+ account in Evolution to give me access to a corporate
account where the only official way to access is via web client
( yuck ).  I've done it a few hundred times on domains where "allow
less secure apps" is set.  Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment, but on
average I have 6-8 different email accounts being handled through
Evolution ( I don't like Thunderbird ) and almost as many calendars
combined into one Evolution calendar.



I think it's important to understand what the differences are. Google
by default uses the OAuth2 mechanism for authentication. For things
that can't cope with OAuth2 the security can be lessened to use classic
username/password authentication. But there are restrictions in place
on whether OAuth2 can be dropped.


That's where I'm stuck. The version of Evolution available to me
doesn't support Oauth and I'm not allow to the less secure mode.

>


> >
   How are you creating the account in Evolution?


Through the normal Edit->Preferences->> Add route.  Everything creates
correctly, but I get the dreaded message, long with an email stating my
access has been blocked for the app and machine in question. The
machine part is a real pain, because it is my normal work machine.



I'm not sure if 3.18.5 can deal with OAuth2. If it can, then you should
not explicitly set the account up as IMAP as that won't invoke the
OAuth2 mechanism.

If it can't, then your best bet is to use Gnome Online Accounts to
create the account in Evolution. GOA knows about OAuth2 and will deal
with all that side of thing while Evolution will deal with the data
like emails and calendar.



I don't have access to Google Online Accounts, domain controller won't
allow it.


>
> > But I will say that I have 2FA turned on (and every one should!)whichmeans that it won't "allow less secure applications" and myEvolutionhappily connects to my gmail account without any problems.What period do you set for collecting new emails?  I find I'mfrequently in locations for 2 plus hours where I can't have a phonebutstill need to be able to retrieve my email and 2+ hours is too longtobe unable to provide the 2nd factor.  Weird yes, but the band ismainlyaimed a cameras.


I am logged into Gmail with OAuth2 so it doesn't continually need to
prompt me for 2FA - it's a once only thing.  (And my emails are set to
be retrieved every 5 mins, but that's not really relevant.)


I guess I know what I'm doing this weekend .. seeing if I can figure
out enough about flatpaks to fix the broken one on Linux Mint.


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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Pete Biggs

>
> If it can't, then your best bet is to use Gnome Online Accounts to
> create the account in Evolution. GOA knows about OAuth2 and will deal
> with all that side of thing while Evolution will deal with the data
> like emails and calendar.
>
>
>
> I don't have access to Google Online Accounts, domain controller won't
> allow it.
>
No, I said Gnome Online Accounts, not "Google".

Bring up the Gnome settings page and there should be an item called
'Online Accounts' and in that an item labelled 'Google' - enter your
mail account information there and it will appear in Evolution once
it's authenticated.  There's plenty of info if you Google for it.

P.

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Andre Klapper
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On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 08:28 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3,  which is Evolution
> 3.18.5.2
> >
>    What are you trying to do?

> Create an Imap+ account in Evolution to give me access to a corporate
> account where the only official way to access is via web client
> ( yuck ).  I've done it a few hundred times on domains where "allow
> less secure apps" is set.  Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment, but on
> average I have 6-8 different email accounts being handled through
> Evolution ( I don't like Thunderbird ) and almost as many calendars
> combined into one Evolution calendar.

Instead of setting up within Evolution, try using gnome-online-accounts
in the GNOME settings. See
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749974#c4

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

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On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 08:01 -0500, Michael H Moran wrote:
> What period do you set for collecting new emails?  I find
> I'm frequently in locations for 2 plus hours where I can't have a
> phone but still need to be able to retrieve my email and 2+ hours is
> too long to be unable to provide the 2nd factor.  Weird yes, but the
> band is mainly aimed a cameras.

You can create the 2FA tokens on another system than your phone, e.g.
on your laptop.

It's somewhat less secure to do it on the same system of course (using
a separate VM might help), but at least it would work...


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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Milan Crha
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On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 09:34 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> > ...The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3 ...
> > ...
> Unfortunately, that is all that is available without having to build
> from scratch, at least until someone fixes the issue with the
> flatpak.

        Hi,
out of curiosity, what is "the issue" you are talking about, please? Is
it specific to your Linux Mint distribution or it's some issue with
"Evolution in Flatpak"?

By the way, your "quoting style" is pretty hard to follow, because
there's basically no indication what you wrote and what wrote someone
else. I'm not sure if you are aware of it.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Japhering
> On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 09:34 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > ...The current default version on LinuxMint vs 18.3 ...
> > > ...
> > Unfortunately, that is all that is available without having to
> > build
> > from scratch, at least until someone fixes the issue with the
> > flatpak.
>       Hi,
> out of curiosity, what is "the issue" you are talking about, please?
> Is
> it specific to your Linux Mint distribution or it's some issue with
> "Evolution in Flatpak"?

Linux Mint 18.3 has Evolution 3.18.5.2 .. quite old.

Evolution in Flatpak spews errors when building and doesn't run.


> By the way, your "quoting style" is pretty hard to follow, because
> there's basically no indication what you wrote and what wrote someone
> else. I'm not sure if you are aware of it.

Well, blame  Evolution and the mailing list.  Someone, right after my
first reply, stated that all replies should be in plain text and
responses being interspersed with in the message.

Unless, I'm missing an option in Evolution, I'm simply replying,
interspersing my responses with Evolution in plaintext mode, which
seems to still want to use color to indicate depth of comments..
Combine that with people (myself included) cut out unnecessary portions
of previous comments, but forget to leave the appropriate header info.

Mike
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

Milan Crha
On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 19:14 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> Evolution in Flatpak spews errors when building and doesn't run.

        Hi,
what are the errors, please? Where did you get the build script of
Evolution for Flatpak?

> Unless, I'm missing an option in Evolution, I'm simply replying,...

This one was perfectly fine. The one I replied to earlier was not.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

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> Well, blame  Evolution and the mailing list.  Someone, right after my
> first reply, stated that all replies should be in plain text and
> responses being interspersed with in the message.
>
> Unless, I'm missing an option in Evolution, I'm simply replying,
> interspersing my responses with Evolution in plaintext mode, which
> seems to still want to use color to indicate depth of comments..
> Combine that with people (myself included) cut out unnecessary portions
> of previous comments, but forget to leave the appropriate header info.
>
If you are seeing the text (not just the quote indicator) being
coloured to indicate depth, then it's not plain text mode, it's still
HTML, but with fixed pitch fonts. Being well behaved, Evolution will
add a plain text version when it sends the mail out, but since the
conversion from HTML to plain text does not know about quoting, it just
sees different coloured text and puts just the text into the
alternative part.  The mailing list preferentially selects the plain
text part if there is one to send to everyone, hence your post arrived
without quote indicators and indentation.

All you have to do is to make sure the drop down underneath the
Subject: label in the composer says "Plain Text" and not "HTML". Unless
you've changed it, the default quote indicator of "> " is perfectly
fine and what you should see when composing the email.

P.

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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

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On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 08:38 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 19:14 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> >
> > Evolution in Flatpak spews errors when building and doesn't run.
> Hi,
> what are the errors, please? Where did you get the build script of
> Evolution for Flatpak?
>
Below are details on the error and my environment.  I just erased all
my previous work and started a the top of the Evolution in Flatpak page
working until I got the failure. 

Let me know if there is any other information that you need or if I
just need to open a bug. My apologies on the delay, I just got back
into the swing of things after 2 weeks on the road.

Mike
Paste bin of the log:   https://pastebin.com/UhxrbWS3

Build environment:

/etc/lsb_release
DISTRIB_ID=LinuxMint
DISTRIB_RELEASE=18.3
DISTRIB_CODENAME=sylvia
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia"

/usr/lib/os-release
NAME="Linux Mint"
VERSION="18.3 (Sylvia)"
ID=linuxmint
ID_LIKE=ubuntu
PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 18.3"
VERSION_ID="18.3"
HOME_URL="http://www.linuxmint.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://forums.linuxmint.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/"
VERSION_CODENAME=sylvia
UBUNTU_CODENAME=xenial

/etc/upstream-release/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=16.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=xenial
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 16.04 LTS"

Linux Ase 4.13.0-45-generic #50~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 30 11:18:27
UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

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On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 11:33 -0500, Japhering via evolution-list wrote:
> Paste bin of the log:   https://pastebin.com/UhxrbWS3

        Hi,
the end of the log says it all:

   Warning: eu-elfcompress not installed, will not compress debuginfo
   stripping /home/mhm/flatpak/org.gnome.Evolution-stable/files/lib/libical.so.3.0.3 to /home/mhm/flatpak/org.gnome.Evolution-stable/files/lib/debug/lib/libical.so.3.0.3.debug
   Error: module libical: Failed to execute child process "eu-strip" (No such file or directory)

These are not called by the flatpak script, they are called by flatpak-
builder itself. Once you have installed eu-strip, eventually also eu-
elfcompress, then the build will work. Fedora has them both part of
elfutils package. Where Ubuntu has them I do not know.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

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On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 09:57 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:

> On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 11:33 -0500, Japhering via evolution-list
> wrote:
> >
> > Paste bin of the log:   https://pastebin.com/UhxrbWS3
> Hi,
> the end of the log says it all:
>
>    Warning: eu-elfcompress not installed, will not compress debuginfo
>    stripping /home/mhm/flatpak/org.gnome.Evolution-
> stable/files/lib/libical.so.3.0.3 to
> /home/mhm/flatpak/org.gnome.Evolution-
> stable/files/lib/debug/lib/libical.so.3.0.3.debug
>    Error: module libical: Failed to execute child process "eu-strip"
> (No such file or directory)
>
> These are not called by the flatpak script, they are called by
> flatpak-
> builder itself. Once you have installed eu-strip, eventually also eu-
> elfcompress, then the build will work. Fedora has them both part of
> elfutils package. Where Ubuntu has them I do not know.

Just out of curiosity, is the lack of that package something the build
should have detected ?

Mike
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On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 09:57 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:

> On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 11:33 -0500, Japhering via evolution-list
> wrote:
> >
> > Paste bin of the log:   https://pastebin.com/UhxrbWS3
> Hi,
> the end of the log says it all:
>
>    Warning: eu-elfcompress not installed, will not compress debuginfo
>    stripping /home/mhm/flatpak/org.gnome.Evolution-
> stable/files/lib/libical.so.3.0.3 to
> /home/mhm/flatpak/org.gnome.Evolution-
> stable/files/lib/debug/lib/libical.so.3.0.3.debug
>    Error: module libical: Failed to execute child process "eu-strip"
> (No such file or directory)
>
> These are not called by the flatpak script, they are called by
> flatpak-
> builder itself. Once you have installed eu-strip, eventually also eu-
> elfcompress, then the build will work. Fedora has them both part of
> elfutils package. Where Ubuntu has them I do not know.

Situation fixed .. clean build and seemingly, clean install of the
flatpak.

Now when I try to run the flatpak, I'm getting the following error when
trying to import a backup file.

    (evolution.bin:22): Gtk-WARNING **: Can't open portal file chooser:
    GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
    org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .service
    files

Thoughts ?

Mike
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Re: Evolution and Google's less secure app problem

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On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 13:40 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, is the lack of that package something the
> build should have detected ?

        Hi,
that's a question for flatpak-builder, or better for your distribution,
to update the package dependencies. The flatpak-builder itself detected
missing first binary, it told you so, but the second one had been
mandatory and it detected it's missing the hard way. Thus I believe it
should be fixed on the packaging level.

On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 14:44 -0500, Japhering wrote:
> Thoughts ?

Nothing more than what's here:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2018-June/msg00079.html

Eventually, I can provide one more (ugh, the third version) build
script of the Flatpak Evolution, which will use system evolution-data-
server, just like GNOME Calendar and others, thus it'll not run in an
isolated sandbox. That would be only for the stable version, if at all;
or I can change the stable version to just do it this way, but there
will be a huge disadvantage, because when you'll need certain fix on
the evolution-data-server side, like when some book/calendar backend
will require a change to behave properly, then even when you use up-to-
date evolution, then the backend itself will be outdated, thus you'll
not have the fix and it'll still misbehave. This makes false
impression, from my point of view, thus I chose to have Flatpak version
also use the up-to-date evolution-data-server, which has the other
disadvantages (see the first section of the Wiki page for Evolution in
Flatpak). It's so isolated that you cannot access local system files,
among other things. There are some more technical details around this,
but I do not want to tire people here.

        Bye,
        Milan
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