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Mauricio de Andrade Ramos Mauricio
Hello list, after an update of my Linux Centos 6.8, I started having trouble to download/receive my e-mails using evolution client (now in version 2.32.3). The first symptoms were just being able to download 2 or 3 messages at a time, then the process seems to hang, downloads nothing more and, at last, an error is shown at the status bar (at the bottom of the client). Until some days ago, I was able to stop the download of the messages and restart the procedure, so I was fetching 2 or 3 messages at a time (never was able to fetch more than 3) but since a few days ago, the client totally stopped fetching messages.I already tried to run evolution in debug mode but was unable to retrieve from it any valueable information. The pop/smtp servers did not change. I do not know what is going on. Can someone help me out?

My system is:

# uname -a
Linux computador.redelocal 2.6.32-642.13.1.el6.centos.plus.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 12 11:45:05 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

# cat /etc/redhat-release
CentOS release 6.8 (Final)

# rpm -qa | grep evolution*
evolution-2.32.3-36.el6.x86_64
evolution-help-2.32.3-36.el6.noarch
evolution-data-server-2.32.3-23.el6.x86_64
evolution-mapi-0.32.2-12.el6.x86_64

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 21:13 -0300, Mauricio de Andrade Ramos Mauricio
wrote:

> Hello list, after an update of my Linux Centos 6.8, I started having
> trouble to download/receive my e-mails using evolution client (now in
> version 2.32.3). The first symptoms were just being able to download 2 or 3
> messages at a time, then the process seems to hang, downloads nothing more
> and, at last, an error is shown at the status bar (at the bottom of the
> client). Until some days ago, I was able to stop the download of the
> messages and restart the procedure, so I was fetching 2 or 3 messages at a
> time (never was able to fetch more than 3) but since a few days ago, the
> client totally stopped fetching messages.I already tried to run evolution
> in debug mode but was unable to retrieve from it any valueable information.
> The pop/smtp servers did not change. I do not know what is going on. Can
> someone help me out?
>
> My system is:
>
> # uname -a
> Linux computador.redelocal 2.6.32-642.13.1.el6.centos.plus.x86_64 #1 SMP
> Thu Jan 12 11:45:05 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> # cat /etc/redhat-release
> CentOS release 6.8 (Final)
>
> # rpm -qa | grep evolution*
> evolution-2.32.3-36.el6.x86_64
> evolution-help-2.32.3-36.el6.noarch
> evolution-data-server-2.32.3-23.el6.x86_64
> evolution-mapi-0.32.2-12.el6.x86_64

You don't say what kind of account this is (POP, IMAP, Exchange, ...).
Also this is a very old version of Evolution which is no longer
supported. The current stable version is 3.22 and evolution-mapi has
been replaced by evolution-ews for Exchange accounts.

poc
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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
Hi,

just a shot in the dark, perhaps 2.32.3 changed some options and you
need to change some settings. Maybe the same or similar as described by
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-February/msg00147.html .

IMO any Evolution version 2.x is even for a long term support distro no
good choice. It's not related to the issue, but GNOME 2, as well as a
kernel 2.6.x are much too old, too. GNOME 2 is discontinued since a
very, very long time and upstream released the last official 2.6 kernel
in August 2011:

https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/

Seemingly your kernel comes with a lot of patches, maybe security and
also hardware related, but I've got doubts, that it's good to stay with
such outdated software, even if it should be patched.

Such a very long long term support is bizarre:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS#End-of-support_schedule

Assuming you should need to replace borked hardware, you might run into
serious issues.

A few days ago I replaced my 9 years old mobo and CPU by something
newer. Apart from a rolling release and the latest Ubuntu LTS I've got
two "vintage" Linux installs on this machine. For those "vintage"
installs, there seems to be no chance to get the graphics working with
the wanted resolution and a reasonable vertical refresh frequency. It
might be possible to get the network working, but by default it doesn't
work.

I'm _not_ speaking for any software developers or the Linux community,
but I guess that not many developers and most people from most Linux
communities are willing and/or able to help you with something that
outdated. Consider to also send a request to a community used to this
unusual long long term support distro, https://www.centos.org/ .

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Andre Klapper
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On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 21:13 -0300, Mauricio de Andrade Ramos Mauricio
wrote:

> Hello list, after an update of my Linux Centos 6.8, I started having
> trouble to download/receive my e-mails using evolution client (now in
> version 2.32.3). The first symptoms were just being able to download
> 2 or 3 messages at a time, then the process seems to hang, downloads
> nothing more and, at last, an error is shown at the status bar (at
> the bottom of the client). Until some days ago, I was able to stop
> the download of the messages and restart the procedure, so I was
> fetching 2 or 3 messages at a time (never was able to fetch more than
> 3) but since a few days ago, the client totally stopped fetching
> messages.I already tried to run evolution in debug mode but was
> unable to retrieve from it any valueable information. The pop/smtp
> servers did not change. I do not know what is going on. Can someone
> help me out?

What is the exact error message?
How exactly did you "run evolution in debug mode"?

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Pete Biggs
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> IMO any Evolution version 2.x is even for a long term support distro no
> good choice. It's not related to the issue, but GNOME 2, as well as a
> kernel 2.6.x are much too old, too. GNOME 2 is discontinued since a
> very, very long time and upstream released the last official 2.6 kernel
> in August 2011:
>
> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/
>
> Seemingly your kernel comes with a lot of patches, maybe security and
> also hardware related, but I've got doubts, that it's good to stay with
> such outdated software, even if it should be patched.
>
> Such a very long long term support is bizarre:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS#End-of-support_schedule

Bizarre?? CentOS is just a re-compile of RHEL, so the support life is
down to RedHat and nothing to do with CentOS. So far from being
"bizarre", there must be very sound financial reasons for having such
an extended life - people must need it if they are willing to pay for
it.

And I assure you there are many things back ported into the RHEL source
tree.

>
> Assuming you should need to replace borked hardware, you might run into
> serious issues.

Never had any problems installing CentOS 6 (or even 5) on modern
hardware. You just have to make sure you have the most recent version.
(CentOS 6.1 has problems, 6.8 doesn't.)

>
> A few days ago I replaced my 9 years old mobo and CPU by something
> newer. Apart from a rolling release and the latest Ubuntu LTS I've got
> two "vintage" Linux installs on this machine. For those "vintage"
> installs, there seems to be no chance to get the graphics working with
> the wanted resolution and a reasonable vertical refresh frequency. It
> might be possible to get the network working, but by default it doesn't
> work.

CentOS 6 is not vintage. It is a current release.

>
> I'm _not_ speaking for any software developers or the Linux community,
> but I guess that not many developers and most people from most Linux
> communities are willing and/or able to help you with something that
> outdated. Consider to also send a request to a community used to this
> unusual long long term support distro, https://www.centos.org/ .
>
Once again, CentOS 6 is not outdated, it is current. CentOS doesn't
have any developers - it is a pure recompile of the RHEL source tree so
 any modifications and updates come from RedHat - but they won't listen
to you unless you have a support contract.

TBH the CentOS mailing list is likely to send people to the Evolution
mailing list - there are not enough specialised desktop people on that
list as most people use CentOS as a server OS, not a desktop one.

P.
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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 14:53:16 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
>CentOS 6 is not vintage. It is a current release.

You seem not to understand the context of my reply. Evolution 2.32.3 is
far a way from being a current software release from Evolution
upstream. I never claimed that Centos 6 reached EOL. Feel free to
provide support for a release of Evolution that is based upon a GNOME
release, that is dropped completely by GNOME upstream. Feel free to use
such a distro for a desktop PC to run a mail client. The kind of Linux
that might be reasonable for a sat receiver, sever or what ever elsenot
desktop related task, has got less to do, with a reasonable Linux
release for the distro you'll use to run a MUA.

>TBH the CentOS mailing list is likely to send people to the Evolution
>mailing list - there are not enough specialised desktop people on that
>list as most people use CentOS as a server OS, not a desktop one.

If they provide Evolution 2.x they are most likely the most reasonable
persons to contact. If there should be an issue with the 2.6 kernel,
would they recommend to send a request to the kernel mailing list?

There's no LTS kernel 2.x anymore at https://www.kernel.org/ and apart
from this even when using a recent kernel, the Centos kernel seemingly
is tainted with out-of-tree patches.

In regards to requesting support by other communities and not the
Centros community, it is a bizarre distro.

Somebody using such a distro, should expect to get weak support by most
Linux communities. The best bet is to ask for support at the
appropriate place.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Pete Biggs
On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 16:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 14:53:16 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > CentOS 6 is not vintage. It is a current release.
>
> You seem not to understand the context of my reply. Evolution 2.32.3 is
> far a way from being a current software release from Evolution
> upstream. I never claimed that Centos 6 reached EOL. Feel free to
> provide support for a release of Evolution that is based upon a GNOME
> release, that is dropped completely by GNOME upstream. Feel free to use
> such a distro for a desktop PC to run a mail client. The kind of Linux
> that might be reasonable for a sat receiver, sever or what ever elsenot
> desktop related task, has got less to do, with a reasonable Linux
> release for the distro you'll use to run a MUA.

And you seem not to understand what CentOS is. CentOS is not an
organisation. They don't have anyone who provides support. If you want
support for it, then you need to pay RedHat. And yes, RedHat *do*
support ALL the versions of software distributed with RHEL5/6/7 and
they will fix issues in those bits of software. The CentOS community
will try and help where they can, but they can not fix problems in
software other than providing patches to RedHat (who may, or may not,
take any notice) and they will eventually trickle through to CentOS.
The CentOS admins do not patch the sources themselves.

>
> If they provide Evolution 2.x they are most likely the most reasonable
> persons to contact. If there should be an issue with the 2.6 kernel,
> would they recommend to send a request to the kernel mailing list?
>
> There's no LTS kernel 2.x anymore at https://www.kernel.org/ and apart
> from this even when using a recent kernel, the Centos kernel seemingly
> is tainted with out-of-tree patches.

The CentOS kernel is what RedHat provide in their source. There was
even an update to it yesterday, so yes, it is still being supported and
updated.

>
> In regards to requesting support by other communities and not the
> Centros community, it is a bizarre distro.

It's no more bizarre than any other distro. It may not conform to what
you think a distro should be, but that's life. It has a niche (a rather
large one IMHO) and fills it rather well.

Do you think RedHat Enterprise Linux is a bizarre distro?

>
> Somebody using such a distro, should expect to get weak support by most
> Linux communities. The best bet is to ask for support at the
> appropriate place.
>
CentOS's role in life is to provide an enterprise grade OS to the
community by leveraging the sources provided by RedHat. The aim is to
be as identical as possible to RHEL within the bounds of copyright.
(Virtually the only change to the source is to remove/change the RH
branded art work.)

And this has gone far beyond the remit of the Evolution mailing list.

P.

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 17:10 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:

> > Somebody using such a distro, should expect to get weak support by most
> > Linux communities. The best bet is to ask for support at the
> > appropriate place.
> >
>
> CentOS's role in life is to provide an enterprise grade OS to the
> community by leveraging the sources provided by RedHat. The aim is to
> be as identical as possible to RHEL within the bounds of copyright.
> (Virtually the only change to the source is to remove/change the RH
> branded art work.)

It's also worth noting that CentOS is affiliated to RedHat and most of
its lead devels are actually paid by them (https://en.wikipedia.org/wik
i/CentOS).

> And this has gone far beyond the remit of the Evolution mailing list.

Agreed.

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 17:10:17 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
>On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 16:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 14:53:16 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:  
>> > CentOS 6 is not vintage. It is a current release.  
>>
>> You seem not to understand the context of my reply.

You are again...

>> If they provide Evolution 2.x they are most likely the most
>> reasonable persons to contact. If there should be an issue with the
>> 2.6 kernel, would they recommend to send a request to the kernel
>> mailing list?
>>
>> There's no LTS kernel 2.x anymore at https://www.kernel.org/ and
>> apart from this even when using a recent kernel, the Centos kernel
>> seemingly is tainted with out-of-tree patches.  
>
>The CentOS kernel is what RedHat provide in their source. There was
>even an update to it yesterday, so yes, it is still being supported and
>updated.

... missing the point.

Actually I try to help the OP with 1. the shot in the dark I provided
and 2. by explaining why Centos is not a good distro for an Evolution
user.

Note, if you take a look at https://www.kernel.org/ you'll notice
that the kernel is unsupported by upstream. Sure, the kernel is
supported by Centos, much likely with tons of out-of-tree patches,
which is a drawback, if a user expects support outside the Centos/RedHat
community. The same is true f0or Evolution. How many users do you guess
are using Evolution 2.x on this mailing list?

Even you are using Evolution 3.22.5 and you didn't provide the OP any
help at all, instead your claims encourage the user to stay with Centos.

Assuming the OP should use POP accounts, I don't know if an upgrade
from one Evolution 2.x to another 2.y release does change something in
regards to

[x] Disable support for all POP3 extensions

For example Claws doesn't provide a dedicated "POP3 extension" option,
but most likely such a setting just has got a different name. Maybe the
options provided by old Evolution preferences changed. Just a shot in
the dark, since it's years ago that I used Evolution 2. However, one of
my "vintage" Linux still comes with GNOME 2, a requirement for
Evolution 2. Even when not using GNOME, Evolution depends a lot on
GNOMEish dependencies.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Andre Klapper
On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 19:10 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Actually I try to help the OP with 1. the shot in the dark I provided
> and 2. by explaining why Centos is not a good distro for an Evolution
> user.

Calling distribution release/support cycles "outdated" because you do
not understand their concept of Long Term Support releases is no help.

If XYZ users want less maintenance costs (means: run older versions
still supported by the distro they've chosen to use), they are free to.
You can replace "XYZ" by any random name (such as "Evolution") so your
point that "not a good distro for an XYZ user" becomes moot.

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:06:30 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
>Calling distribution release/support cycles "outdated" because you do
>not understand their concept of Long Term Support releases is no help.

You completely ignore the context, I never claimed something like this!
Please, don't spread untruth about what I was pointing out!

I very well understand different kinds of long term support. I simply
pointed out what kind of support a user could expect. This kind of very
long term support is not useful, if a user needs support for desktop
environment related apps outside of the community of this particular
very long term support distro. Any other claim is plain wrong! It could
make sense even for desktop apps, if a company prefers such a very long
term support distro, to avoid training of employees and for a few other
reasons. However, it's not much likely that upstream of those desktop
apps or user communities are from much help, if support should be
needed. Support for that old applications could be expected by the very
long term support distro's community. It becomes even more problematic,
as soon as a lot of out of tree patches are included to the software
(not only for the kernel).

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

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>
> Even you are using Evolution 3.22.5 and you didn't provide the OP any
> help at all,

OK, I can't let this pass.

I didn't say anything in response to the user's question because other
people had said as much as I was able to say; there is no point in me
just saying again what others have said. I also don't use POP (which
the OP is clearly using) for anything, nor do I even allow it on my
servers, so I have zero experience of using it with Evolution - so
there is no point in me trying to help from a position of zero
knowledge.

I only responded at all because I thought you were falsely denigrating
CentOS and didn't understand what CentOS was.

P.
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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Milan Crha
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On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 10:31 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> evolution-mapi has been replaced by evolution-ews for Exchange accounts

        Hi,
just to clarify on these bits: the Exchange Web Services (EWS) protocol
is provided by Exchange server since version 2007. Anything before uses
MAPI. The MAPI protocol had been disabled by default since Exchange 2013.
While it's preferred to use EWS (also because it behaves quicker than
evolution-mapi), then the evolution-mapi can be still used and is in
its maintenance mode just for pre-2007 servers and for users whom need
it in pre-2013 for whatever reason (can be certain server setup or
anything like that).
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 10:09 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:

> On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 10:31 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > evolution-mapi has been replaced by evolution-ews for Exchange accounts
>
> Hi,
> just to clarify on these bits: the Exchange Web Services (EWS) protocol
> is provided by Exchange server since version 2007. Anything before uses
> MAPI. The MAPI protocol had been disabled by default since Exchange 2013.
> While it's preferred to use EWS (also because it behaves quicker than
> evolution-mapi), then the evolution-mapi can be still used and is in
> its maintenance mode just for pre-2007 servers and for users whom need
> it in pre-2013 for whatever reason (can be certain server setup or
> anything like that).

Thanks Milan. Anything I say about Exchange should be taken with a
pinch of salt since I don't use it (and in fact have never used it in
more than 40 years in IT :-)

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Mauricio de Andrade Ramos Mauricio
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Hello list, thanks to all that helped me out. The issue got solved with
Ralf's tip on "Disable support for all POP3 extensions" documented at
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-February/msg00147.html
Thanks a lot!

Answering some questions:

1) My email accounts are POP (yahoo + gmail).
2) The error message was very superficial, I do not remember exactly ...
I guess something like "Error fetching e-mail" or "Error fetching
messages". At the last days, when it completely stopped fetching the
e-mails, the error message was also gone (no e-mails downloaded and no
messages shown). To run evolution in debug mode, I use a command like
the one below:
        linux> CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& ~/evo_debug.log

My option in using CentOs is due mainly to: [a] its compatibillity with
RHEL so I can run Oracle and other server applications I need [b] old
notebook with few resources. This also explains my option to use an old
gnome desktop that does not have all those visual effects and so on. [c]
since this is a personal notebook (but also used for some professional
activities or studies when I am at home) I tried to mix the support I
needed and some resource saving so, at last, the notebook could be
useable.

I understood, by your clarifying explantion, that maybe I will have more
trouble getting support from the community (I do not have a RHEL
support) since I am using older versions of some app and even, maybe, a
already unsupported version of it but I will have to deal with this.
Hopelly the system is very stable and reliable and in few monthes I will
be able to change this note and upgrade the OS [ probably to a newer
CentOS :) ]

Thanks again and a lot for all your support!


Em Sáb, 2017-02-25 às 21:13 -0300, Mauricio de Andrade Ramos Mauricio
escreveu:

> Hello list, after an update of my Linux Centos 6.8, I started having
> trouble to download/receive my e-mails using evolution client (now in
> version 2.32.3). The first symptoms were just being able to download 2
> or 3 messages at a time, then the process seems to hang, downloads
> nothing more and, at last, an error is shown at the status bar (at the
> bottom of the client). Until some days ago, I was able to stop the
> download of the messages and restart the procedure, so I was fetching
> 2 or 3 messages at a time (never was able to fetch more than 3) but
> since a few days ago, the client totally stopped fetching messages.I
> already tried to run evolution in debug mode but was unable to
> retrieve from it any valueable information. The pop/smtp servers did
> not change. I do not know what is going on. Can someone help me out?
>
> My system is:
>
> # uname -a
> Linux computador.redelocal 2.6.32-642.13.1.el6.centos.plus.x86_64 #1
> SMP Thu Jan 12 11:45:05 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> # cat /etc/redhat-release
> CentOS release 6.8 (Final)
>
> # rpm -qa | grep evolution*
> evolution-2.32.3-36.el6.x86_64
> evolution-help-2.32.3-36.el6.noarch
> evolution-data-server-2.32.3-23.el6.x86_64
> evolution-mapi-0.32.2-12.el6.x86_64
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>


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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:52:32 -0300, Mauricio de Andrade Ramos wrote:
>Hello list, thanks to all that helped me out. The issue got solved with
>Ralf's tip on "Disable support for all POP3 extensions" documented at
>https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-February/msg00147.html
>Thanks a lot!

You're welcome!

I wonder if this option was introduced by the updated version of
Evolution or if this option already existed for the prior
version. Perhaps at the same time you upgraded Evolution, just by
random the Email provider changed the server settings.

At least for Yahoo POP servers a few settings changed a few days ago.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Patrick O'Callaghan
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On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 14:52 -0300, Mauricio de Andrade Ramos wrote:
> My option in using CentOs is due mainly to: [a] its compatibillity with
> RHEL so I can run Oracle and other server applications I need [b] old
> notebook with few resources. This also explains my option to use an old
> gnome desktop that does not have all those visual effects and so on.

Note that Evolution is part of Gnome, i.e. if you have an old version
of Gnome you will have an old version of Evo. It's possible to get
round this by compiling Evo yourself with a different set of Gnome
libraries but it's not for the faint of heart.

poc
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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Milan Crha
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On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 19:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I wonder if this option was introduced by the updated version of
> Evolution or if this option already existed for the prior
> version.

        Hi,
the option is available since 2003:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-data-server/commit/?id=201d2d3e

> Perhaps at the same time you upgraded Evolution, just by
> random the Email provider changed the server settings.

Right, that's what happened here, it's just a coincidence of the server
side change and the user system update.

I decided to disable support for all POP3 extensions by default, which
will affect only newly created accounts. The correct fix is to report
this to Yahoo! support centre and let them fix the server, thus if
anyone could do it, then it would be much better.

Reference on the related commit in evolution-data-server:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778562#c14

        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:03:50 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:

>> Perhaps at the same time you upgraded Evolution, just by
>> random the Email provider changed the server settings.  
>
>Right, that's what happened here, it's just a coincidence of the server
>side change and the user system update.
>
>I decided to disable support for all POP3 extensions by default, which
>will affect only newly created accounts. The correct fix is to report
>this to Yahoo! support centre and let them fix the server, thus if
>anyone could do it, then it would be much better.

Hi Milan,

disabling it by default is a good idea, also consider to add it to the
FAQ. IMO it's not worth to throw pearls before swine, IOW not to get in
contact with Yahoo. Yahoo tries to excuse their failure by now sending
emails to all users, recommending to stop using insecure mail clients
and instead to use their web interface + to use stronger passwords.
It's ridiculous, they were hacked, because they had bad luck and/or
because they did a bad job. They were not hacked because users
preferred MUAs over their web interface or because users used weak
passwords. Failure of a MUA or weak passwords would affect individual
users of Yahoo, but Yahoo was hacked. That's the whole boring story ;).
Actually I'm using Rocketmail, but Rocketmail was taken over by Yahoo.
For sentimental reasons I'll keep my Rocketmail accounts, but Zoho and
a few other free as in beer providers do a better job nowadays.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution stopped fetching e-mails after Linux update

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:40:08 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:03:50 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:  
>>> Perhaps at the same time you upgraded Evolution, just by
>>> random the Email provider changed the server settings.      
>>
>>Right, that's what happened here, it's just a coincidence of the
>>server side change and the user system update.
>>
>>I decided to disable support for all POP3 extensions by default, which
>>will affect only newly created accounts. The correct fix is to report
>>this to Yahoo! support centre and let them fix the server, thus if
>>anyone could do it, then it would be much better.    
>
>Hi Milan,
>
>disabling it by default is a good idea, also consider to add it to the
>FAQ. IMO it's not worth to throw pearls before swine, IOW not to get in
>contact with Yahoo. Yahoo tries to excuse their failure by now sending
>emails to all users, recommending to stop using insecure mail clients
>and instead to use their web interface + to use stronger passwords.
>It's ridiculous, they were hacked, because they had bad luck and/or
>because they did a bad job. They were not hacked because users
>preferred MUAs over their web interface or because users used weak
>passwords. Failure of a MUA or weak passwords would affect individual
>users of Yahoo, but Yahoo was hacked. That's the whole boring story ;).
>Actually I'm using Rocketmail, but Rocketmail was taken over by Yahoo.
>For sentimental reasons I'll keep my Rocketmail accounts, but Zoho and
>a few other free as in beer providers do a better job nowadays.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf  

PS: I don't have access to Evolution at the moment, but now Claws
stopped to be able to retrieve mails from Rocketmail and Yahoo ;). I'm
not willing to troubleshoot. "Please try again later" :D. I suspect
Yahoo commits suicide :D, expecting their users are willing to continue
to stay with Yahoo, instead of migrating to another free as in beer
provider. Apart from the web interface Yahoo most likely provides apps
for portable devices, too. Maybe they think that we will stay with Yahoo
and drop MUAs. Pff, more likely everybody used to apps and web
interfaces will use some social thingy and won't use an email provider
at all, while dinos like me, never ever will drop MUAs such as Claws,
Evolution and whatsoever.

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