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Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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I'm trying to build the lastest version of Evolution available in flatpak.

The problem appears to be that Evolution has moved from the master/slave notation  and flatpak has not
be updated, at least not for Linux Mint.

So what terms did the Evolution team decide to use as replacments for  master/slave?

Thanks

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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 08:18 -0500, Japhering, Anonymous via evolution-
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> I'm trying to build the lastest version of Evolution available in
> flatpak.

Which instructions do you follow (URL)?

> The problem appears to be that Evolution has moved from the
> master/slave notation  and flatpak has not
> be updated, at least not for Linux Mint.

That's your conclusion but we have no idea how you came to that
conclusion as there are no steps to reproduce and no output provided.

> So what terms did the Evolution team decide to use as replacments for
>  master/slave?

That's your conclusion but we have no idea how you came to that
conclusion.

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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 15:43 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 08:18 -0500, Japhering, Anonymous via evolution-
list wrote:
I'm trying to build the lastest version of Evolution available in
flatpak.

Which instructions do you follow (URL)?



The problem appears to be that Evolution has moved from the
master/slave notation  and flatpak has not
be updated, at least not for Linux Mint.

from the attempted build

flatpak-builder --force-clean org.gnome.Evolution-stable org.gnome.Evolution-stable.json

Downloading sources
fatal: ambiguous argument 'master': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.

Looking at the contents of org.gnome.Evolution-stable.json  one finds the following section 

        {
            "name": "bogofilter",
            "buildsystem": "simple",
            "build-commands": [
                "cd ./bogofilter/ && echo \"# Skip for Flatpak build\" > doc/Makefile.am && autoreconf -fi && ./configure --prefix=/app --disable-rpath --with-database=sqlite3 && make && make install"
            ],
            "sources": [
                {
                    "type": "git",
                    "url": "https://git.code.sf.net/p/bogofilter/git",
                    "branch": "master"
                }
            ]
        },




That's your conclusion but we have no idea how you came to that
conclusion as there are no steps to reproduce and no output provided.

My apologies for assuming anyone here had built Evolution and that the Evolution dev team had followed the rest of 
the software development world in moving away the master/slave terminology.



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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:43:30 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
>That's your conclusion but we have no idea how you came to that
>conclusion.

It's not that hard to imagine, why somebody has got this guess, if
something doesn't work as expected. Even the German television news
report related to the keywords: Linus Torvalds inclusive language
Let alone all the hype related to the keywords: inclusive language
(without the additional keywords "Linus" "Torvalds" ;)

It's very good that it's a completely wrong assumption, but the
wrong assumption is very well understandable. There's no need to act
stupid on purpose ;).
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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 09:16 -0500, Japhering, Anonymous via evolution-list wrote:
> My apologies for assuming [...] the Evolution dev team had followed the rest of
> the software development world in moving away the master/slave terminology.

I seriously doubt that "the world" moved away from sane terms, that are
in no way intended to be racist, sexist or otherwise offending.

If somebody feels offended by the technical terms "blacklist", "slave"
etc., I recommend a "psychotherapy".

The obsessive misinterpretation of speech is ridiculous. It's just
easier for privileged classes to change the speech, instead of behaving
responsible.


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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

Paul Smith-43
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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 09:16 -0500, Japhering, Anonymous via evolution-
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>         {
>             "name": "bogofilter",
>             "buildsystem": "simple",
>             "build-commands": [
>                 "cd ./bogofilter/ && echo \"# Skip for Flatpak
> build\" > doc/Makefile.am && autoreconf -fi && ./configure --
> prefix=/app --disable-rpath --with-database=sqlite3 && make && make
> install"
>             ],
>             "sources": [
>                 {
>                     "type": "git",
>                     "url": "https://git.code.sf.net/p/bogofilter/git"
> ,
>                     "branch": "master"
>                 }
>             ]
>         },

This is for bogofilter, which is a separate project from Evolution.
 Bogofilter is a generic spam filtering plugin, that many projects use.
 Evolution simply includes it as well.

It appears as best as I can tell, that bogofilter has switched to
"main" as its primary branch name; you can see:

https://gitlab.com/bogofilter/bogofilter/

I don't know if anyone announced this change or if the Evolution devs
are aware of it.

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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

Paul Smith-43
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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 09:16 -0500, Japhering, Anonymous via
> evolution-list wrote:
>
> > My apologies for assuming [...] the Evolution dev team had followed
> > the rest of the software development world in moving away the
> > master/slave terminology.
>
> I seriously doubt that "the world" moved away from sane terms, that
> are in no way intended to be racist, sexist or otherwise offending.

Can we please, PLEASE not get into this here?  I've read every single
argument there is to read, pro and con, about this issue over and over
on every F/OSS list I subscribe to (and I subscribe to many of them).

There's no point arguing about it because the people who want to change
and the people who don't want to change both understand the position of
the other, but they are never going to agree on a compromise.

It's up to the project developers to decide what to do about this and
we should respect their decision.  It's not our place to decide they're
racially insensitive if they don't change it, or that they're pandering
if they do change it.

As RMS advises, online we should always assume the best intentions, not
the worst.


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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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It reminds me of the other "issue". "The ecological footprint".

Most of the privileged classes care about their "ecological footprint"
and most of the poor people don't care at all, but actually the
privileged classes that care a lot, are those consuming most and who
have the most worse "ecological footprint". Note! The "ecological
footprint" of somebody who doesn't care at all, but who is walking,
since she can't pay for a car, is way better, than the "ecological
footprint" of the person driving a very expensive Eco-car. Racism,
environmental pollution, exploitation etc. is caused by privileged
classes who aren't willing to give up their privileges, instead they
vehemently change speech, consume different products, but don't stop
consuming. They clap on their balconies. I'm working in a
system-relevant job, in childcare, caring about children from all
nations. I _hate_ the dishonest hype!

My apologies for the semi-off-topic rant!
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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 10:48 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 09:16 -0500, Japhering, Anonymous via evolution-
list wrote:
        {
            "name": "bogofilter",
            "buildsystem": "simple",
            "build-commands": [
                "cd ./bogofilter/ && echo \"# Skip for Flatpak
build\" > doc/Makefile.am && autoreconf -fi && ./configure --
prefix=/app --disable-rpath --with-database=sqlite3 && make && make
install"
            ],
            "sources": [
                {
                    "type": "git",
                    "url": "
https://git.code.sf.net/p/bogofilter/git
"
,
                    "branch": "master"
                }
            ]
        },

This is for bogofilter, which is a separate project from Evolution.
 Bogofilter is a generic spam filtering plugin, that many projects use.
 Evolution simply includes it as well.

It appears as best as I can tell, that bogofilter has switched to
"main" as its primary branch name; you can see:

https://gitlab.com/bogofilter/bogofilter/

Thanks for a sane reply and my apologies not knowing that bogofilter was an independent
include in evolution.

Additionally, my apologies for starting a flamewar. That was not my intent, I was just
looking for an answer to allow my to build the evolution flatpak.

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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 10:56 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> Can we please, PLEASE not get into this here?  I've read every single
> argument there is to read, pro and con, about this issue over and over
> on every F/OSS list I subscribe to (and I subscribe to many of them).

Hi,

that's interesting, since I'm a subscriber of many FLOSS mailing lists,
too. In my case those lists are related to Linux and BSD. This is the
very first time this issue raised its ugly head on a mailing list I do
follow.

Actually it was a problem for the OP to build bogofilter, due to the
migration from a "master" to a "main" branch. I suspect a lot of
breakages will follow and without any doubts those migrations of terms
will solve not a single issue related to racism.

It's just another symbolic, insincere and most worse of it, another
counterproductive sanction.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

Andre Klapper
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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I recommend a "psychotherapy".

For the records, I've set the moderation flag on this account. Please
read and follow https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/CodeOfConduct if you
would like to be active in GNOME community spaces.

Thanks for keeping a respectful tone in conversations.

andre
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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

Patrick O'Callaghan
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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 17:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:

> It reminds me of the other "issue". "The ecological footprint".
>
> Most of the privileged classes care about their "ecological footprint"
> and most of the poor people don't care at all, but actually the
> privileged classes that care a lot, are those consuming most and who
> have the most worse "ecological footprint". Note! The "ecological
> footprint" of somebody who doesn't care at all, but who is walking,
> since she can't pay for a car, is way better, than the "ecological
> footprint" of the person driving a very expensive Eco-car. Racism,
> environmental pollution, exploitation etc. is caused by privileged
> classes who aren't willing to give up their privileges, instead they
> vehemently change speech, consume different products, but don't stop
> consuming. They clap on their balconies. I'm working in a
> system-relevant job, in childcare, caring about children from all
> nations. I _hate_ the dishonest hype!
>
> My apologies for the semi-off-topic rant!

There's nothing 'semi' about it. This is completely off-topic. Please
desist immediately.

poc

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Re: Evolution where did it move on git naming ?

Andre Klapper
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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 16:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:43:30 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > That's your conclusion but we have no idea how you came to that
> > conclusion.
>
> It's not that hard to imagine, why somebody has got this guess, if
> something doesn't work as expected.

I prefer not to imagine or guess but to have clear steps provided which
allow somebody else to reproduce the very same situation. See
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem#answer-66378
why having to make assumptions isn't the way to go when trying to find
the underlying issue for some problem which someone else faces.

My point was about providing clear steps to reproduce instead of
jumping to (potentially wrong or potentially correct) conclusions.

(Steps to reproduce have been provided in the meantime - thanks.)

Cheers,
andre
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On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 10:48 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> I don't know if anyone announced this change or if the Evolution devs
> are aware of it.

        Hi,
unfortunately, I'm not aware of it. The bogofilter developers could
announce it, but I'm not subscribed to their lists, thus that would
miss me anyway.

The bogofilter is just one dependency of the Evolution project. The
Flatpak manifests inside the Evolution project are provided for easier
user-made builds.

I updated the scripts [1], just re-download them (the wget command), or
make the same change in it, and it'll work again.
        Bye,
        Milan

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/f8b2ca5f62

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