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Hello there!

It has been A LOT of years since i've used a mailing list to request support... :) i'm not sure the list support rich text, therefore i'm going full ascii.

# Let's start with the big picture

Long storty short, a few months ago i've assembled a small linux box for my mother: she is 70+ years aold and I don't want her to be plagued by windows updates (which will turn me into her technical assistant). The previous machine she used had Windows XP! 

So i've installed POP_OS 19.10, switch the desktop to Cinnamon desktop environment, which is pretty similar to XP and the system migration "shock" has been minimal.

There's only one issue. The translation inside Evolution!

# the real issue

We are italians. I'm almost quadrilingual (italian, english, spanish, php) but she can't understand english beside a few basic words.

When I've installed Evolution, to replace Outlook, I've noticed that the community has done a pretty good job translating almost everything. 

There were a few omissions, because the software is always upgrading, but nothing really serious... beside one button: the button to "add attachments" inside new email, was in english. 

"well, it's strange, but they are probably going to translate it sooner or later".

After checking the quality of Evolution, i've decided to install it on my laptop, which also has POP_os 20.04, but with the default desktop environment.

To my surprise, my installation has the button "add attachment" correctly translated!

Today, i've upgraded my mom linux box to pop_os 20.04, but the button for the attachment is still in english...

So, 
- where could be the issue?
- could i customize the interface for my mom?

thanks in advance!



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Re: Issue with the interface language

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On Mon, 2020-08-03 at 17:17 +0200, Gareth Jax via evolution-list wrote:
> Today, i've upgraded my mom linux box to pop_os 20.04, but the button
> for the attachment is still in english...

        Hi,
you should compare the version of Evolution, not only the version of
the system or the desktop environment. That can be found in
Help->About.

Looking into the Italian translation, the "Add Attachment" text had
been translated in 2014. That makes me wonder, what is the output of
the `locale` command on the two machines, please?
        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: Issue with the interface language

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Hello Milan!

# this the Lenovo Laptop

LANG=it_IT.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=it:en
LC_CTYPE="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

Evolution 3.36.4 (by Flathub.org) 

# This is the linux box

Evolution 3.36.3-0ubuntu1 

LANG=it_IT.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=it:en
LC_CTYPE="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NAME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_ALL=

There is a slight difference in the versions of evolution, maybe i
should change the language of the box to it:it ?

thanks in advance for any insight

Il giorno lun 3 ago 2020 alle ore 17:41 Milan Crha via evolution-list <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
On Mon, 2020-08-03 at 17:17 +0200, Gareth Jax via evolution-list wrote:
> Today, i've upgraded my mom linux box to pop_os 20.04, but the button
> for the attachment is still in english...

        Hi,
you should compare the version of Evolution, not only the version of
the system or the desktop environment. That can be found in
Help->About.

Looking into the Italian translation, the "Add Attachment" text had
been translated in 2014. That makes me wonder, what is the output of
the `locale` command on the two machines, please?
        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: Issue with the interface language

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On Tue, 2020-08-04 at 10:02 +0200, Gareth Jax via evolution-list wrote:

> # this the Lenovo Laptop
> ...
> LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8"
> ...
> Evolution 3.36.4 (by Flathub.org) 
>
> # This is the linux box
>
> Evolution 3.36.3-0ubuntu1 
> ...
> LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8"
> ...

        Hi,
if I understand it correctly, then the Laptop version shows correct
text, but the linux box does not. The LC_MESSAGES matter here and it's
the same on both machines.

This is the first time I see the Flatpak version showing the localized
text better than the native version (there used to be bugs about the
localization not working in the Flatpak version).

You can install the Flatpak version on the other machine and it should
work the same as on yours, the sandbox is supposed to work like that.
Just  note that the sandbox has its caveats (search for Flatpak in this
mailing list and you'll get an idea), but you need to check what will
work and what not for your use case.

Though I still do not understand why the native version doesn't work,
and why only partially. Unless Ubuntu modifies the translations. I do
not know whether they do. [1]

Getting the /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/evolution.mo (in Flatpak
it's under /app/share/....) and replace with it the one on the other
machine might do the trick, until the machine updates the evolution
package to the newer version and replaces the fil. There can be a
similar evolution.mo file in 'it_IT' directory (instead of in 'it'),
but that won't be from evolution itself, at least as I understand how
those things work, guessing they work similarly in the Ubuntu.


        Bye,
        Milan

[1] In fact, I cannot find which sub-package has the translation data.
    This Ubuntu world is an unknown thing to me.
    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/3.36.3-0ubuntu1

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Re: Issue with the interface language

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Thanks for your help!

I've replaced the previous version with the flatpack version on the linux box and now the translations are correct!

Let me know if i can do further tests to help the community, otherwise i'm ok :)




Il giorno mar 4 ago 2020 alle ore 10:30 Milan Crha via evolution-list <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
On Tue, 2020-08-04 at 10:02 +0200, Gareth Jax via evolution-list wrote:
> # this the Lenovo Laptop
> ...
> LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8"
> ...
> Evolution 3.36.4 (by Flathub.org) 
>
> # This is the linux box
>
> Evolution 3.36.3-0ubuntu1 
> ...
> LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF-8"
> ...

        Hi,
if I understand it correctly, then the Laptop version shows correct
text, but the linux box does not. The LC_MESSAGES matter here and it's
the same on both machines.

This is the first time I see the Flatpak version showing the localized
text better than the native version (there used to be bugs about the
localization not working in the Flatpak version).

You can install the Flatpak version on the other machine and it should
work the same as on yours, the sandbox is supposed to work like that.
Just  note that the sandbox has its caveats (search for Flatpak in this
mailing list and you'll get an idea), but you need to check what will
work and what not for your use case.

Though I still do not understand why the native version doesn't work,
and why only partially. Unless Ubuntu modifies the translations. I do
not know whether they do. [1]

Getting the /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/evolution.mo (in Flatpak
it's under /app/share/....) and replace with it the one on the other
machine might do the trick, until the machine updates the evolution
package to the newer version and replaces the fil. There can be a
similar evolution.mo file in 'it_IT' directory (instead of in 'it'),
but that won't be from evolution itself, at least as I understand how
those things work, guessing they work similarly in the Ubuntu.


        Bye,
        Milan

[1] In fact, I cannot find which sub-package has the translation data.
    This Ubuntu world is an unknown thing to me.
    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/3.36.3-0ubuntu1

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