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Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Patrick O'Callaghan
Hi all

I'm one of the list moderators for the Evolution list. Occasionally new
users on signing up for the list select the "Digest" option for
receiving list traffic.

What's a Digest?

Digests are an ancient mechanism for batching list messages into a
daily briefing, with a view to reducing the number of deliveries to the
end-user's mailbox. In olden times this could be a significant
advantage since mail was often delivered over slow phone modems using
UUCP protocols, where each message required a protocol handshake
exchange that added overhead and reduced effective bandwidth (think
Hayes 9600 bps and dial-up). Batching made better use of this limited
resource and could save money on phone costs.

Why should we eliminate digests?

   1. I know of no-one who still uses dial-up UUCP for their mail feed.
      Even a basic "always-on" Internet service is orders of magnitude
      faster than a Hayes modem so the savings in protocol overhead are
      insignificant and the savings in cost non-existent.
   2. Users of digests frequently don't fully understand how they work, or
      how to use their MUA to deal with them. A typical error is to reply
      to a digest rather than replying to the specific message *within*
      the digest (something supported by many MUAs, including Evolution,
      as long as the digest is MIME-formatted, which ours is by default).
      The upshot is that the user either a) re-sends the entire digest as
      quoted material in his reply (in pathological cases this could
      happen multiple times with exponentially growing messages), or b)
      attempts to be a good citizen by editing the reply to exclude the
      extraneous material and changing the Subject back to what it should
      be, without realising that this breaks message threading and annoys
      everyone else.
   3. Extra cruft in list handling software and mail clients (MUAs). For
      backwards-compatibility reasons we're probably stuck with these
      costs, but I mention them for completeness.

Why should we keep digests?

   1. Resistance to change.
   2. Nothing else that I'm aware of.

If you have an opinion about this, now is the time to ventilate it. If
you have valid reasons for needing the Evolution list in digest form,
make your voice heard. If no-one speaks up, I'd advocate turning them
off after a suitable warning period.

poc
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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

George Reeke
On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 17:50 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> If you have an opinion about this, now is the time to ventilate it. If
> you have valid reasons for needing the Evolution list in digest form,
> make your voice heard. If no-one speaks up, I'd advocate turning them
> off after a suitable warning period.
>
> poc

I already sent this reply to the previous thread but am repeating
it here for the record, with an added sentence:

Please do not turn digests off.  Although I do not use
them on lists like this one, where I participate, I find them very
useful on other lists where I just want to keep up a bit and would
rather not be bothered with all the individual items coming in at
random intervals.  No doubt there are people who feel this way
about the evolution list, so my comments should apply here as well.
[It's not about network bandwidth, it's about inbox clutter.]
George Reeke

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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Pete Biggs
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>
> Why should we eliminate digests?
>
>    1. I know of no-one who still uses dial-up UUCP for their mail feed.
>       Even a basic "always-on" Internet service is orders of magnitude
>       faster than a Hayes modem so the savings in protocol overhead are
>       insignificant and the savings in cost non-existent.
>    2. Users of digests frequently don't fully understand how they work, or
>       how to use their MUA to deal with them. A typical error is to reply
>       to a digest rather than replying to the specific message *within*
>       the digest (something supported by many MUAs, including Evolution,
>       as long as the digest is MIME-formatted, which ours is by default).
>       The upshot is that the user either a) re-sends the entire digest as
>       quoted material in his reply (in pathological cases this could
>       happen multiple times with exponentially growing messages), or b)
>       attempts to be a good citizen by editing the reply to exclude the
>       extraneous material and changing the Subject back to what it should
>       be, without realising that this breaks message threading and annoys
>       everyone else.
>    3. Extra cruft in list handling software and mail clients (MUAs). For
>       backwards-compatibility reasons we're probably stuck with these
>       costs, but I mention them for completeness.

4. We're users of Evolution (that's why we are here) - Evolution has
tools for filtering list posts easily into a different folder. I can't
see that there is much difference between a folder full of emails and
an email full of emails.

P.

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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Pete Biggs
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> I already sent this reply to the previous thread but am repeating
> it here for the record, with an added sentence:
>
> Please do not turn digests off.  Although I do not use
> them on lists like this one, where I participate, I find them very
> useful on other lists where I just want to keep up a bit and would
> rather not be bothered with all the individual items coming in at
> random intervals.  No doubt there are people who feel this way
> about the evolution list, so my comments should apply here as well.
> [It's not about network bandwidth, it's about inbox clutter.]

So filter them into a different folder so they don't clutter your
inbox. I am a member of numerous mailing lists - not a single one
appears in my inbox, they all end up in their own folder. (For
efficiency, I do it on my server, but it's no different to doing it
within Evolution.)

P.


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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Ralf Mardorf-3
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Hi,

there could be reasons to prefer digest. You already mentioned one of
those reasons, a "broken" Internet access. Actually I can't remember
that I really ever needed digest, especially not for this mailing list.

Sometimes replies to digest could be really annoying, OTOH such replies
aren't that much of a problem on this mailing list, as it is on a few
other mailing lists.

IIRC I was the one who asked you to make MIME the default for digest.
This change was a step into the right direction, maybe the next step is
to disable digest.

Most of the times I'm against dropping features. However, I don't care
if digest is provided or not.

IOW if you want to disable it, you won't hear a veto from me. If you
should not remove digest, I wouldn't be disappointed as well.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

George Reeke
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On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 18:05 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:

> > I already sent this reply to the previous thread but am repeating
> > it here for the record, with an added sentence:
> >
> > Please do not turn digests off.  Although I do not use
> > them on lists like this one, where I participate, I find them very
> > useful on other lists where I just want to keep up a bit and would
> > rather not be bothered with all the individual items coming in at
> > random intervals.  No doubt there are people who feel this way
> > about the evolution list, so my comments should apply here as well.
> > [It's not about network bandwidth, it's about inbox clutter.]
>
> So filter them into a different folder so they don't clutter your
> inbox. I am a member of numerous mailing lists - not a single one
> appears in my inbox, they all end up in their own folder. (For
> efficiency, I do it on my server, but it's no different to doing it
> within Evolution.)
>
> P.

Then I have to look in all those other folders to see if something has
arrived.  The way I do it, I just see it in my one inbox when it comes
(not often).  [I am quite familiar with this type of filtering and use
it for other purposes, but for me it is the wrong solution for lists
that I don't want to check often.]
GNR


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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Andrew Beverley
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:05:32 +0000 Pete Biggs <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So filter them into a different folder so they don't clutter your
> inbox.

I used to do that, but I then found that I rarely looked at them, and
when I did, there were far too many emails to read. A daily summary
straight into the inbox is a nice way to keep abreast of what's going
on.

(I don't use digest for this list, and I don't have a strong opinion
about disabling them, I just thought it worth pointing out that what
works for one person doesn't necessarily work for everyone).
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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Adam Tauno Williams
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Quoting Ralf Mardorf <[hidden email]>:
> there could be reasons to prefer digest. You already mentioned one of
> those reasons, a "broken" Internet access. Actually I can't remember
> that I really ever needed digest, especially not for this mailing list.

Ditto.  I get what they are for ... but it seems like that time is  
over.  All types of clients are now much more powerful, storage is  
abundant even on laptops and mobile devices, connections are not that  
fragile.

The use case for Digest is very small - and achievable without list  
support.  Filter to a folder; check that folder for new messages - you  
essentially have Digest.  If someone, like me, filters mail list  
messages to folders you also have robust Search capability - in every  
client, and on every server.

> Most of the times I'm against dropping features. However, I don't care
> if digest is provided or not.

Ditto

> IOW if you want to disable it, you won't hear a veto from me. If you
> should not remove digest, I wouldn't be disappointed as well.

Ditto.


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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Brewster Gillett
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 Pete Biggs wrote:
> So filter them into a different folder so they don't clutter your
> inbox. I am a member of numerous mailing lists - not a single one
> appears in my inbox, they all end up in their own folder. (For
> efficiency, I do it on my server, but it's no different to doing it
> within Evolution.)
> 
> P.

George Reeke wrote:
Then I have to look in all those other folders to see if something has
arrived.  The way I do it, I just see it in my one inbox when it comes
(not often).  [I am quite familiar with this type of filtering and use
it for other purposes, but for me it is the wrong solution for lists
that I don't want to check often.]
GNR

Brewster replies:

George, I'm not sure you're fully utilizing Evolution's capabilities. When I fire up Evolution, I see my
entire list of folders, first thing. So I don't understand your phraseology "look in all those other folders
to see if something has arrived".  I have dozens of folders, and every time I download my latest
email, any folder that has new arrivals  is clearly flagged, including the *number* of new messages
that just hit that folder.  So I don't have to "look in all those other folders" ; all I have to do is
scan the list to see which ones might have new traffic.

So for example, if I fetch my current traffic, and my "Evolution" folder shows three new
messages, and I'm too busy to tend to them at the moment, I just ignore them; every subsequent
time I open Evolution, that reminder will still be there.

I have long observed that filters and folders seem to be widely underused, and that's really
a shame. They can save us untold wasted minutes and hours if properly set up. And their
intelligent use pretty much obviates any perceived "advantages" to "Digest" mode.

Brewster

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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Patrick O'Callaghan
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On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 18:00 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:

> >
> > Why should we eliminate digests?
> >
> >    1. I know of no-one who still uses dial-up UUCP for their mail feed.
> >       Even a basic "always-on" Internet service is orders of magnitude
> >       faster than a Hayes modem so the savings in protocol overhead are
> >       insignificant and the savings in cost non-existent.
> >    2. Users of digests frequently don't fully understand how they work, or
> >       how to use their MUA to deal with them. A typical error is to reply
> >       to a digest rather than replying to the specific message *within*
> >       the digest (something supported by many MUAs, including Evolution,
> >       as long as the digest is MIME-formatted, which ours is by default).
> >       The upshot is that the user either a) re-sends the entire digest as
> >       quoted material in his reply (in pathological cases this could
> >       happen multiple times with exponentially growing messages), or b)
> >       attempts to be a good citizen by editing the reply to exclude the
> >       extraneous material and changing the Subject back to what it should
> >       be, without realising that this breaks message threading and annoys
> >       everyone else.
> >    3. Extra cruft in list handling software and mail clients (MUAs). For
> >       backwards-compatibility reasons we're probably stuck with these
> >       costs, but I mention them for completeness.
>
> 4. We're users of Evolution (that's why we are here) - Evolution has
> tools for filtering list posts easily into a different folder. I can't
> see that there is much difference between a folder full of emails and
> an email full of emails.

Well put.

poc
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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

George Reeke
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> Brewster replies:
>
> George, I'm not sure you're fully utilizing Evolution's capabilities.
> When I fire up Evolution, I see my
> entire list of folders, first thing. So I don't understand your
> phraseology "look in all those other folders
> to see if something has arrived".  I have dozens of folders, and every
> time I download my latest
> email, any folder that has new arrivals  is clearly flagged, including
> the *number* of new messages
> that just hit that folder.  So I don't have to "look in all those
> other folders" ; all I have to do is
> scan the list to see which ones might have new traffic.
> ewster
>
> As far as I have ever seen, those numbers in parens after each
> folder bear no relationship to whether I have read the messages
> or not.  Maybe this is because I mostly read them in the preview
> window and don't double click on them to read them in their own
> window?  And after reading them in the preview I either delete
> them or move them to a specific folder.  So everything in the
> inbox is always new and everything in any other folder (except
> ones I send stuff to with filters) is not new.  The lists where
> I look at digests are not important enough to me to be filtered
> to their own folder; those are generally for stuff I want to keep.
> Very simple.
> GNR


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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Krzysztof Adamski
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On 13/03/17 03:32 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 18:00 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
>>> Why should we eliminate digests?
>>>
>>>     1. I know of no-one who still uses dial-up UUCP for their mail feed.
>>>        Even a basic "always-on" Internet service is orders of magnitude
>>>        faster than a Hayes modem so the savings in protocol overhead are
>>>        insignificant and the savings in cost non-existent.
>>>     2. Users of digests frequently don't fully understand how they work, or
>>>        how to use their MUA to deal with them. A typical error is to reply
>>>        to a digest rather than replying to the specific message *within*
>>>        the digest (something supported by many MUAs, including Evolution,
>>>        as long as the digest is MIME-formatted, which ours is by default).
>>>        The upshot is that the user either a) re-sends the entire digest as
>>>        quoted material in his reply (in pathological cases this could
>>>        happen multiple times with exponentially growing messages), or b)
>>>        attempts to be a good citizen by editing the reply to exclude the
>>>        extraneous material and changing the Subject back to what it should
>>>        be, without realising that this breaks message threading and annoys
>>>        everyone else.
>>>     3. Extra cruft in list handling software and mail clients (MUAs). For
>>>        backwards-compatibility reasons we're probably stuck with these
>>>        costs, but I mention them for completeness.
>> 4. We're users of Evolution (that's why we are here) - Evolution has
>> tools for filtering list posts easily into a different folder. I can't
>> see that there is much difference between a folder full of emails and
>> an email full of emails.
> Well put.
>
Is there an Evolution client for Android? Not all email reading is done
in Evolution.
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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Ralf Mardorf-3
Workflow related arguments pro and con disabling digest lead to nothing.

Indeed, we are not always using Evolution. While tablet PC MUAs often
don't provide good folder and filter options, they usually default to
one inbox with mails sorted by threads. The broken threads caused by
digest users much likely affect the majority of subscribers who decided
against receiving digest.

IMO it would be useful to know how many users receive digest for this
mailing list and want to continue using digest.

There are tendencies that dealing with digest messages cause
"disturbances" for the mailing list community.

If a lot of users actually should use digest, then digest shouldn't be
dropped. If just a few users should actually use digest, it doesn't
make sense to keep it, as long as at least not one person really needs
digest for a good reason, that isn't related to a habit.


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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Patrick O'Callaghan
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On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 16:04 -0400, Krzysztof Adamski wrote:
> Is there an Evolution client for Android? Not all email reading is done
> in Evolution.

Why do you need an Evolution for Android? I read my mail on Linux with
Evolution, on other platforms with the Google webmail, on my Android
phone and tablet with the Gmail apps. They all see the same mail. I
don't think this is unusual.

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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Patrick O'Callaghan
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On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 21:56 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> IMO it would be useful to know how many users receive digest for this
> mailing list and want to continue using digest.

As to the first part of that question, the admin interface for Mailman
shows the digest flag per user, but AFAIK there isn't an easy way to
count them other than laboriously going through one by one (or page by
page) and adding up by hand. As to the second question, only those
interested can say.

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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

George Reeke
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On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 21:56 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> If a lot of users actually should use digest, then digest shouldn't be
> dropped. If just a few users should actually use digest, it doesn't
> make sense to keep it, as long as at least not one person really needs
> digest for a good reason, that isn't related to a habit.
>
What you call a "habit" other people may consider a "workflow"
carefully developed over years of experience trying alternatives.
I call that a good reason.
GNR


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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 18:01 -0400, George Reeke wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 21:56 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > If a lot of users actually should use digest, then digest shouldn't be
> > dropped. If just a few users should actually use digest, it doesn't
> > make sense to keep it, as long as at least not one person really needs
> > digest for a good reason, that isn't related to a habit.
>
> What you call a "habit" other people may consider a "workflow"
> carefully developed over years of experience trying alternatives.
> I call that a good reason.

Actually you aren't using digest for this list:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:00:09 -0400, George Reeke wrote:
> Please do not turn digests off.  Although I do not use them on lists
> like this one

IMO the subscribers who wish to use digest for this mailing list should
pipe up.



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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Pete Biggs
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> >
> > As far as I have ever seen, those numbers in parens after each
> > folder bear no relationship to whether I have read the messages
> > or not.  Maybe this is because I mostly read them in the preview
> > window and don't double click on them to read them in their own
> > window?

The numbers should be correct - they certainly always have been for me
and I only read email in the preview pane.  There is a certain
(configurable) time delay between looking at a message and it being
marked as read, perhaps you've got that set for too long (Preferences
-> Mail Preferences -> General -> "Mark messages read after ...")

P.
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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Pete Biggs
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On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 18:01 -0400, George Reeke wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-03-13 at 21:56 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > If a lot of users actually should use digest, then digest shouldn't be
> > dropped. If just a few users should actually use digest, it doesn't
> > make sense to keep it, as long as at least not one person really needs
> > digest for a good reason, that isn't related to a habit.
> >
>
> What you call a "habit" other people may consider a "workflow"
> carefully developed over years of experience trying alternatives.
> I call that a good reason.

But if that workflow is disrupting and causing problems for the
majority of people, then it's a problem.
I call that selfish.

The bottom line is that, personally, I have no opinion on how other
people choose to deal with something as, lets face it, trivial as a
mailing list. The reason why it is an issue is because people reply to
the digest breaking other people's "workflow"; there are mechanisms in
place to mitigate this using the MIME digest and the message handling
menu at the top of every message in the digest - but that menu is an
Evolution thing and not inherent in the construct of the digest, so if
someone uses a mailer other than Evolution (shock horror), then that
facility won't be available to them.

As far as I can see there is no technical reason to prefer digests, and
lots of technical reasons to dislike them - thus it is purely down to
preference. That is fine, choice is good and all that. But at what
point does a few people's preferences trump everything else?

Personally I would head towards removing digests, but it's not
something I'm going to loose sleep over. But I too would like some
digest users to speak up - there's certainly the possibility that we
have become too blinkered and can't see the killer use case for
digests.

If digests are kept, are other mitigations possible. Like:

    Is there a way to enforce mime digests?

    And is there a way to make the boilerplate at the top of the digest
    more "robust" on the issue of replying to a digest?

    Is it possible to use References: headers to send all digest replies
    to moderation?

    Is it technically possible to remove the ability to turn on digests,
    but allow current users to keep receiving them?

P.



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Re: Proposal: to eliminate the digest option for the Evolution mailing list

Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 09:54 +0000, Pete Biggs wrote:
> If digests are kept, are other mitigations possible. Like:
>     Is there a way to enforce mime digests?

Not to my knowledge.

>     And is there a way to make the boilerplate at the top of the
> digest more "robust" on the issue of replying to a digest?

Honest opinion - that simply won't work.  I wish I could return the
youthful innocence when I believed that people bothered even a whit
about following instructions & conventions.  Hacker courtesy and all
that.  I do miss that Internet.

>     Is it possible to use References: headers to send all digest
> replies to moderation?

It has been a long time since I have journeyed into the dark heart of
mailman - but I do not recall any such feature.  My guess is you would
have a cron task to scrape user's with digest enabled into the always
moderate list.

>     Is it technically possible to remove the ability to turn on
> digests, but allow current users to keep receiving them?

Only via a code [template] hack, I believe.

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