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Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Frank M Waterman
Greetings everyone,

I am a relatively new convert to Linux, specifically Ubuntu (16.10 presently) and I have been using Evolution for nearly the entire time. If there is a better behaved, more useful application I haven't met it yet! Currently I am using version 3.22.3.

I have three questions pertaining to Evolution that have been pestering me and despite looking in at least most of the usual places in the documentation, I have not found answers that satisfy my morbid curiosity.

1) There does not appear to be any means through which the default size or type of font face may be selected for all outgoing messages. Is this something that has or is being looked at for a future release?

2) I love that someone thought to include emoticons for the composition window! However, there are large swarm of emoticons that have been approved by the Unicode Consortium (as of version 9.0) which are not included in the composition window of Evolution (at least not yet). I appreciate that many may regard emoticons as frivolous and a waste of time, but I am bound to ask if there is a way by which additional emoticons may be added to Evolution?

3) I asked about the end user having the ability to select the font face of their choice as a default value. In the same vein, are there any plans in the works to add font face selectability as a toolbar option in the composition window in a future release of Evolution?

Thank you all for taking the time to read my message.

Regards,

Frank

Evil to him that thinks evil,

More evil to him that does evil!



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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Andre Klapper
Hi Frank and welcome!

On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 21:50 -0500, Frank M Waterman wrote:
> Currently I am using version 3.22.3.
>
> 1) There does not appear to be any means through which the default
> size or type of font face may be selected for all outgoing messages.
> Is this something that has or is being looked at for a future
> release?

There is a feature request but I am not aware of any plans:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568311

> 2) I love that someone thought to include emoticons for the
> composition window! However, there are large swarm of emoticons that
> have been approved by the Unicode Consortium (as of version 9.0)
> which are not included in the composition window of Evolution (at
> least not yet). I appreciate that many may regard emoticons as
> frivolous and a waste of time, but I am bound to ask if there is a
> way by which additional emoticons may be added to Evolution?

The list seems to be hardcoded in
https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/tree/src/e-util/e-emoticon-chooser.c
Which does not seem like a good idea in the long-run, but no good idea
either how to present hundreds of emoticons in a sane way in the UI. 

> 3) I asked about the end user having the ability to select the font
> face of their choice as a default value. In the same vein, are there
> any plans in the works to add font face selectability as a toolbar
> option in the composition window in a future release of Evolution?

Same reply as to 1) I'm afraid. :)

Cheers,
andre
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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Milan Crha
On Sat, 2017-03-18 at 13:31 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:

> On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 21:50 -0500, Frank M Waterman wrote:
> > Currently I am using version 3.22.3.
> >
> > 1) There does not appear to be any means through which the default
> > size or type of font face may be selected for all outgoing messages.
> > Is this something that has or is being looked at for a future
> > release?
>
> There is a feature request but I am not aware of any plans:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568311

        Hi,
only to add a bit on this, the HTML content generated by evolution
itself (new messages) do not define font size at all, thus the font
size used depends on the default on the receiver's side.

> > 2) I love that someone thought to include emoticons for the
> > composition window! However, there are large swarm of emoticons that
> > have been approved by the Unicode Consortium (as of version 9.0)
> > which are not included in the composition window of Evolution (at
> > least not yet). I appreciate that many may regard emoticons as
> > frivolous and a waste of time, but I am bound to ask if there is a
> > way by which additional emoticons may be added to Evolution?
>
> The list seems to be hardcoded in
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/tree/src/e-util/e-emoticon-chooser.c
> Which does not seem like a good idea in the long-run, but no good idea
> either how to present hundreds of emoticons in a sane way in the UI.

Right, the toolbar and menu bar contain hard-coded (predefined) subset
of emoticons. When talking of Unicode, I do not recall whether 3.20.x,
but definitely 3.22+ has Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->Use
Unicode characters for emoticons, which does what it says. With other
Unicode letters (not in the predefined set), if you know the character
code, then you can insert it on your own, just like "any other" Unicode
letter.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Frank M Waterman
Thank you for responding to my questions, Milan. I appreciate that you took the time.

I have to laugh at myself! I was monkeying around in Evolution's preference settings for composing when I all but tripped over the section which allows the end user to define the font face and size that they want to use. I only glad in wasn't a poisonous snake I had been looking for! With that being said, I still think it would be a capital idea to make changing the font face and size from the composition window itself a goal. But I am sure many others before me have made a similar observation.

Regarding my question about emoticons: I concur that some sort of display of hundreds of emoticons would not be a practical idea, unless some terribly clever developer could discover a means for thumbnails of the emoticons to be displayed on a page separate from the composition windows, yet still a component of Evolution. As I am not a developer (yet), I have no conception about how difficult (or not) what I propose would be. In the interim though, could you please expand just a little bit on the 'Use Unicode characters for emoticons' feature? Do I understand you to say that, with that feature selected, if I type in the sequence of Unicode characters for which an emoticon has been created, the emoticon will be displayed in place of the keystroke combination? If this understanding is correct, will the sender as well as the recipient be able to see the emoticon?

I think that is enough wasting your time for now. I do appreciate you educating me more about this marvelous program!

Best regards,
Frank

On Mon, 2017-03-20 at 16:11 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
On Sat, 2017-03-18 at 13:31 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 21:50 -0500, Frank M Waterman wrote:
Currently I am using version 3.22.3. 1) There does not appear to be any means through which the default size or type of font face may be selected for all outgoing messages. Is this something that has or is being looked at for a future release?
There is a feature request but I am not aware of any plans: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568311
Hi, only to add a bit on this, the HTML content generated by evolution itself (new messages) do not define font size at all, thus the font size used depends on the default on the receiver's side.
2) I love that someone thought to include emoticons for the composition window! However, there are large swarm of emoticons that have been approved by the Unicode Consortium (as of version 9.0) which are not included in the composition window of Evolution (at least not yet). I appreciate that many may regard emoticons as frivolous and a waste of time, but I am bound to ask if there is a way by which additional emoticons may be added to Evolution?
The list seems to be hardcoded in https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/tree/src/e-util/e-emoticon-chooser.c Which does not seem like a good idea in the long-run, but no good idea either how to present hundreds of emoticons in a sane way in the UI.
Right, the toolbar and menu bar contain hard-coded (predefined) subset of emoticons. When talking of Unicode, I do not recall whether 3.20.x, but definitely 3.22+ has Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->Use Unicode characters for emoticons, which does what it says. With other Unicode letters (not in the predefined set), if you know the character code, then you can insert it on your own, just like "any other" Unicode letter. Bye, Milan _______________________________________________ evolution-list mailing list [hidden email] To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Mon, 2017-03-20 at 20:23 -0500, Frank M Waterman wrote:
> Do I understand you to say that, with that feature selected,
> if I type in the sequence of Unicode characters for which an emoticon
> has been created, the emoticon will be displayed in place of the
> keystroke combination? If this understanding is correct, will the
> sender as well as the recipient be able to see the emoticon?

Yes, assuming sender and receiver are using Unicode fonts. Pushing the
keys Shift+Ctrl+U works for Evolution and all other Linux apps.

Push Shift+Ctrl+U then type 1f600 and after that any key, e.g. enter or
space and you get 😀

Push Shift+Ctrl+U then type 1f601 and after that any key, e.g. enter or
space and you get 😁

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticons_(Unicode_block)#Block

Regards,
Ralf 😇

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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Frank M Waterman
Super Sweet!

Thanks for the confirmation, Ralf!

Best regards,

Frank

On Tue, 2017-03-21 at 02:47 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2017-03-20 at 20:23 -0500, Frank M Waterman wrote:
Do I understand you to say that, with that feature selected, if I type in the sequence of Unicode characters for which an emoticon has been created, the emoticon will be displayed in place of the keystroke combination? If this understanding is correct, will the sender as well as the recipient be able to see the emoticon?
Yes, assuming sender and receiver are using Unicode fonts. Pushing the keys Shift+Ctrl+U works for Evolution and all other Linux apps. Push Shift+Ctrl+U then type 1f600 and after that any key, e.g. enter or space and you get 😀 Push Shift+Ctrl+U then type 1f601 and after that any key, e.g. enter or space and you get 😁 See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticons_(Unicode_block)#Block Regards, Ralf 😇 _______________________________________________ evolution-list mailing list [hidden email] To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Ralf Mardorf-3
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:47:11 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>Push Shift+Ctrl+U then type 1f600 and after that any key, e.g. enter or
>space and you get 😀              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^

Oops, seemingly only enter/return and space work, other keys do _not_
work.

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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Ralf Mardorf-3
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Oops, today is 2017-03-21 and not 2017-03-22. The corrected scrip is
shown below :D. Btw. I prefer ASCII smilies ;).
However, feel free to modify the script and to remove my name and the
date completely ;). It has got no license :D.




#!/bin/dash
# /usr/local/bin/schar Ralf Mardorf 2017-03-21

special_characters() {
cat<<EOF
Use Shift+Ctrl+U or copy and paste
                        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
EOF
}

zenity --warning --title="special characters" --width=800 --height=100 --no-wrap --text="$(special_characters)"

exit
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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Ralf Mardorf-3
Haha, the original mail with the wrong date didn't came through the list.
Here it is again, now with a resized picture:

Hi,

I hit on an idea.

You could assign a shortcut to a script to get emoticons for coping and
pasting.

If I push Shift+Ctrl+S when in Evolutions editor window, I get the
window shown by the attached screenshot. With the mouse I could copy an
emoticon and paste it into Evolution's editor window.

You simply could copy and paste the below script. Save it as
/usr/local/bin/schar and make it executable by running

  sudo chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/schar





[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/bin/schar
#!/bin/dash
# /usr/local/bin/schar Ralf Mardorf 2017-03-22

special_characters() {
cat<<EOF
Use Shift+Ctrl+U or copy and paste
                        0       1       2       3       4       5       6       7       8       9       A       B       C       D       E       F
U+1F60x         😀       😁       😂       😃       😄       😅       😆       😇       😈       😉       😊       😋       😌       😍       😎       😏
U+1F61x         😐       😑       😒       😓       😔       😕       😖       😗       😘       😙       😚       😛       😜       😝       😞       😟
U+1F62x         😠       😡       😢       😣       😤       😥       😦       😧       😨       😩       😪       😫       😬       😭       😮       😯
U+1F63x         😰       😱       😲       😳       😴 😵     😶       😷       😸       😹       😺       😻       😼       😽       😾       😿
U+1F64x         🙀       🙁       🙂       🙃       🙄       🙅       🙆       🙇       🙈       🙉       🙊       🙋       🙌       🙍       🙎       🙏
EOF
}

zenity --warning --title="special characters" --width=800 --height=100 --no-wrap --text="$(special_characters)"

exit





I don't know how to assign shortcuts to a script for GNOME, but for
openbox I only need to add the following to the rc file.





[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep "Shift+Ctrl" -A 5 ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml
    <!-- Shift+Ctrl -->
    <keybind key="S-C-S">
      <action name="Execute">
        <command>schar</command>
      </action>
    </keybind>





Regards,
Ralf
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Re: Some Questions Pertaining to Evolution

Milan Crha
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On Mon, 2017-03-20 at 20:23 -0500, Frank M Waterman wrote:
> I was monkeying around in Evolution's preference settings for
> composing when I all but tripped over the section which allows the
> end user to define the font face and size that they want to use.

        Hi,
it doesn't influence what the receiving part gets, it's relevant only
for your side and no other.

> Do I understand you to say that, with that feature selected, if I
> type in the sequence of Unicode characters for which an emoticon has
> been created, the emoticon will be displayed in place of the
> keystroke combination?

Well, no. That "Use Unicode characters for emoticons" option influences
what is pasted into the message body when you pick one of
Insert->Emoticon->... items, eventually through the tool bar. It
doesn't do anything else. The insertion of the Unicode letter using
Unicode codes, as Ralf shown in the other message in this thread, works
completely independently from any option in the Evolution.

Note of Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->[ ] Automatically
insert emoticons option. That makes the composer "track what you type"
and if it is one of the known emoticon "shortcuts" (I do not know how
to call it, just the ASCII smiley, like ":)" or ":-)"), then it is
replaced with the emoticon according to the other option (either
Unicode, or an image, or even full ASCII representation for plain text
messages, which makes from ":)" this ":-)").

Try it, and you'll see. It's easier than to ask for something you can
try yourself.

> If this understanding is correct, will the sender as well as the
> recipient be able to see the emoticon?

It depends on the client the recipient uses, but as these are somewhat
standard font letters, then as long as their font contains them, then
the recipient will see it too. Using images, or ASCII smilies, is no
problem, these (images) are attached to the message and shown the same
as you see them when composing. Again, give it a try and you'll see
yourself.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Benjamin Selzer
Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
in the Side Bar, such as Sent Mail and Deleted Items? Alternatively, is
there a way to pin favorites to the top of this list?

I have >100 email folders in my Exchange account, so scrolling to get
to Sent Mail each time is somewhat annoying.

There has to be a way to do this, since this is such an obvious
feature, but I am unable to find it.

Thanks.
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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 05:32 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
> in the Side Bar

Hi,

I don't know if there's an option to move folder positions, but it at
least is possible to rename the folders you created, so you have impact
on the lexical order.

You could (re)name all your own folders starting with a number and with
the letter "T".

001_test
002_a_test

appear on top, right after "Inbox".

T003_test

is sorted behind "Sent".

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 10:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 05:32 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> > Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
> > in the Side Bar
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't know if there's an option to move folder positions, but it at
> least is possible to rename the folders you created, so you have impact
> on the lexical order.
>
> You could (re)name all your own folders starting with a number and with
> the letter "T".
>
> 001_test
> 002_a_test
>
> appear on top, right after "Inbox".
>
> T003_test
>
> is sorted behind "Sent".

Oops, maybe you can't rename folders, but you can create new folders,
copy the content of an old folder to a new one and then delete the old
folder.

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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Benjamin Selzer
Your solution of renaming or creating a new folder and deleting the old
one does not work for default system folders like Sent and Deleted.
These are the standard names as prescribed by any Exchange account, and
I imagine forcing these to be renamed or replaced would create
problems.

How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is missing
from such a long standing application?
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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Milan Crha
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        Hi,
stolen thread, eeks...

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 05:32 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Is there a way to move important folders at the top of the folder list
> in the Side Bar, such as Sent Mail and Deleted Items?

No, the folder order is given by evolution itself. You can change order
of accounts, in Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts.

> Alternatively, is there a way to pin favorites to the top of this list?

Nothing direct. The closest is to define a Search Folder which will
simply "Match All" and you add folders into it. Then you can move
Search Folders at the very top between accounts (see above where to do
it).

        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Benjamin Selzer
Any reason this feature has been omitted? It seems so obvious.

Regarding Search Folders, I enabled it, but I cannot see how to operate
it. Is there a guide somewhere, or can you explain how to use it?

Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:04:06 +0100

Nothing direct. The closest is to define a Search Folder which will
simply "Match All" and you add folders into it. Then you can move
Search Folders at the very top between accounts (see above where to do
it).
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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Milan Crha
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:12 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Any reason this feature has been omitted?

        Hi,
no idea, maybe lack of user demand, or anything else.

> Regarding Search Folders, I enabled it, but I cannot see how to operate
> it. Is there a guide somewhere, or can you explain how to use it?

File->New->Mail Folder, type name, select "Search Folders" as the
parent. Follow up in the user documentation:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-search-folders.html.en

        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Ralf Mardorf-3
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On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:01 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> Your solution of renaming or creating a new folder and deleting the old
> one does not work for default system folders like Sent and Deleted.
> These are the standard names as prescribed by any Exchange account, and
> I imagine forcing these to be renamed or replaced would create
> problems.

That is correct, the reason I have written
"You could (re)name all your own folders".
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The default folders and the virtual "Trash" folder might be required by
a standard. IMO lexically sort order is the smartes style.

You could move all your "own" folders to a new parent folder add your
own replacement folders for "Inbox", "Send" etc. and use filter rules to
use the replacement folders instead of the original folders.

> How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is missing
> from such a long standing application?

I don't know if this feature is missing. Perhaps Evolution provides such
an option, I'm just not aware that it is implemented. However, if you
create a parent folder for all your folders, "Inbox", "Send" etc. are
not in the way.

Please reply to the mailing list only. If you include me to the
recipients I don't get duplicated messages, but I get replies without a
mailing list header. This breaks the reply to mailing list for some MUAs
completely. Evolution works around this issue by invoking mailing list
replies, by "Group Reply". Anyway, it still could break sorting by
mailing list headers for Evolution, too. Other users might get
duplicated messages, one with the mailing list header and a second mail
without, which also is annoying.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Torsten Krah
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Am Mittwoch, den 22.03.2017, 06:01 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Selzer:
> How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is
> missing
> from such a long standing application?

Feel free to open an issue and add/provide a patchset / changeset for
that feature.
I am sure Milan will be happily integrate it if it does fit.

Cheers

Torsten

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Re: Show Certain/System Folders at Top of Side Bar

Andre Klapper
In reply to this post by Benjamin Selzer
On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 06:01 -0400, Benjamin Selzer wrote:
> How is it possible that this extremely obvious setup feature is
> missing from such a long standing application?

You have not provided a patch yet to implement that feature.

andre
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