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Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

vsnyder
I've been using Evolution for many years. I've had an account @sbcglobal.net
for years. For years, the receiving server has been mail.imap.yahoo.com on
port 993 with TLS.

Today, it stopped working. I have another account @sbcglobal.net, also
receiving via imap.mail.yahoo.com on port 993 with TLS. It works fine.

I can access both accounts via web pages, which I assume do not use IMAP.

AT&T and Yahoo service were no help. they blame Evolution.

I reloaded Evolution. I rebooted. I changed my password. I created a new
Evolution account, with a different account name, for the same
@sbcglobal.net account. Nothing worked.

There were many messages about this eight years ago.

I'm using Evolution 3.30.5-1.1 on Debian Buster. Apparently, Debian doesn't
offer Evolution updates.

Any ideas?




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Recommendation to get off of Yahoo, AT&T, etc. email

J.B. Nicholson
You wrote:
> Any ideas?

I recommend getting your own domain name with a hoster that can host your email so
that you're not relying on some forwarding convenience that can go away, and so that
you can move your email service as needed without ever having to tell others what
your new email address is (because it won't change).

Dreamhost.com has good services, hosts email accessible via IMAP/SMTP over an
encrypted connection, and is also a domain registrar. I don't work for them but I've
used their services (including using Dreamhost-hosted email accounts via IMAP/SMTP
using Evolution).
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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

Gnome Evolution - General mailing list
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On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 20:42 -0600, vsnyder wrote:
> I can access both accounts via web pages, which I assume do not use
> IMAP.
>
> AT&T and Yahoo service were no help. they blame Evolution.

        Hi,
the Yahoo! service representatives sent messages with the information
several times before they did this. You should receive them as well, I
guess. See the attachment.
        Bye,
        Milan

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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

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Hi,

I'm using Yahoo and Rocketmail POP accounts with Claws and Evolution.
Since end of October it's required to generate a new password for each
application, when using a mailer other than a Yahoo app or the web
interface. For each account I generated one password for Claws and
another for Evolution.

Evolution sent an email...

"Hey Yahoo Member,
[snip]
Option 3: You can generate a one-time, unique password that will allow
you to sign in to your account using your non-Yahoo email application.
Once created, this password will continue to allow your app to securely
sync your Yahoo email unless you sign out (or are signed out) from your
app. You can find instructions on how to do this here
https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/SLN15241.html?impressions=true .
[snip]"

...if you click the link, you get

"Generate and manage third-party app passwords

Some older, third-party email apps (that do not use our Yahoo branded
sign in page) require you to enter a single password for login
credentials. To access your Yahoo Mail account on these apps, you'll
need to generate and use an app password. An app password is a long,
randomly generated code that gives a non-Yahoo app permission to access
your Yahoo account. You’ll only need to provide this code once to sign
in to your third-party email app.

Generate an app password

    1 Sign in and go to your Account security page.
    2 Click Generate app password or Manage app passwords.
    3 Select your app from the drop down menu and click Generate.
    4 Follow the instructions below the password.
    5 Click Done.
    6 Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your
      email app.

Revoke an app password
[snip]"

IIRC neither Claws, nor Evolution can be selected from a drop down menu,
but there was an option to add any other mailer.

On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 21:37 -0600, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> I recommend getting your own domain name

A good solution for rich people. Users who don't have the money to pay
for this, but who own a mobile phone could chose between endless much
providers when willing to give away there mobile number. I don't own a
mobile number, so I got the zoho account I'm using for this list, before
that fashion was introduced. However, even the best of those countless
providers could be carried over soon, so it's impossible to recommend
any provider.

One of the better free as in beer accounts I'm using, that doesn't
require a mobile number (I donated, but you aren't forced to donate) is
riseup.net, they are doing everything right, so you even get rid of the
"via evolution-list" annoyance. IIRC while it's made by activists, so
you don't need to fear that a company will carry it over, they only
provide POP accounts.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Recommendation to get off of Yahoo, AT&T, etc. email

Christopher Marlow-3
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On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 21:37 -0600, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> Dreamhost.com has good services, hosts email accessible via IMAP/SMTP
> over an
> encrypted connection, and is also a domain registrar. I don't work
> for them but I've
> used their services (including using Dreamhost-hosted email accounts
> via IMAP/SMTP
> using Evolution).


I uase Dreamhost for my domain but I don't use dreamhost's baked in
email because it has problems with round cube for their email front
end.

Sending problems, Spam problems just look at dreamhosts forums.


I use pobox.com for my email front end 15.00 a year to forward my email
to a free gmail address where I download my email via pop3 due to being
stuck on a sat dish connection.


Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

Christopher Marlow-3
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On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 08:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:

> A good solution for rich people. Users who don't have the money to
> pay
> for this, but who own a mobile phone could chose between endless much
> providers when willing to give away there mobile number. I don't own
> a
> mobile number, so I got the zoho account I'm using for this list,
> before
> that fashion was introduced. However, even the best of those
> countless
> providers could be carried over soon, so it's impossible to recommend
> any provider.



Read my last reply.. 15.00 for the domain ( per year) and 15.00 a year
for the email front end. Then I use a free gmail account to have my
email delivered to it.




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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

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On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 12:39 -0600, Christopher Marlow wrote:
> Read my last reply.. 15.00 for the domain ( per year) and 15.00 a year
> for the email front end. Then I use a free gmail account to have my
> email delivered to it.

The need to be "rich" to pay for it is without doubts an overstatement.
However, not everybody can pay just 5,-€ here and just another 10,-€
there and ... in the end the few € here and there could become a
considerable sum of money. You recommendation to use it in combination
with gmail is asking for trouble. A solution could be to get rid of
Yahoo by using your own domain and your own servers without a provider
similar to Yahoo involved. IMO gmail is a provider similar to Yahoo.
IIUC your point is, that you have got one domain and if gmail should
behave like Yahoo, too, you could stay with your domain and just need to
migrate to another free mail account for delivery, without the need to
change the original email address.

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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

J.B. Nicholson
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Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> A good solution for rich people. Users who don't have the money to pay
> for this, but who own a mobile phone could chose between endless much
> providers when willing to give away there mobile number.

That's a glib and innumerate response; you should show more respect for decent
conversation than to say that. namecheap.com is selling .co.uk subdomains for $6.88
to register and $9.58/yr for renewal. Last time I looked .info subdomains were quite
inexpensive as well. Depending on one's privacy concerns, there are gratis email
hosters that will let one host their own domain with them in exchange for spying on
everything they send/receive (I don't recommend them but they exist). Such prices are
not reasonably responded to with "a good solution for rich people" and don't require
you to sign up for being constantly geolocated via a tracker/mobile. Other options
include gandi.net which offers email hosting and domain registration at low prices.
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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

vsnyder
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On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 07:50 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 20:42 -0600, vsnyder wrote:
I can access both accounts via web pages, which I assume do not use
IMAP.

AT&T and Yahoo service were no help. they blame Evolution.

	Hi,
the Yahoo! service representatives sent messages with the information
several times before they did this. You should receive them as well, I
guess. See the attachment.

I got my mail account from AT&T as SBC global, at sbcglobal.net. The back end was at yahoo.com. Maybe that's why they didn't bother to notify me, assuming AT&T would do it (which they didn't).

	Bye,
	Milan
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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

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On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 17:41 -0600, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
>
> Such prices are not reasonably responded to with "a good solution for
> rich people" and don't require you to sign up for being constantly
> geolocated via a tracker/mobile.

Hi,

Yahoo/Rocketmail doesn't require me to sign up to be constantly
geolocated via a tracker/mobile.

To continue using old Yahoo/Rocketmail accounts with Evolution or other
email clients, users only need to replace their old passwords, by
passwords generated by Yahoo.

I'm using one Yahoo and two Rocketmail (Rocketmail is Yahoo, too)
addresses with Linux desktop PC email clients, one of them is Evolution
and I don't own a cellphone at all.

While I don't advocate for Yahoo, one of the reasons is that you
nowadays likely need a cellphone to sign up, in all fairness speaking,
you don't need to pay for it, at least not with money or by providing
other data, than everybody provides anyway by email headers whatever ISP
is used or the message body of unencrypted emails.

Most free as in beer services and all solutions you need to pay for, as
yours, require to provide at least to give away some private data,
either a cellphone number or bank details.

My latest email account doesn't require to give away such data:

"[snip] We do not require you to sign up with a phone number or personal
information. Instead, we rely on invite codes. [snip]

There is no such thing as free email. Services like Gmail, Hotmail, and
Yahoo make their money from surveillance: they build a profile on your
behavior and your desires and then bombard you with advertising
specifically targeted to you.

Riseup is different. This service is a labor of love by activists like
you committed to building movement-run and secure alternative
infrastructure.

The Riseup email service takes a lot of time and money to keep running,
and is funded entirely by small donations from its users. Please do your
part and contribute today." - https://riseup.net/en/email

Btw. I don't see any advertisings when using my Yahoo accounts. They do
not send emails with advertisings. I neither use a Yahoo app, nor the
web interface. However, they much likely watch my traffic and much
likely even spy email bodies, as the payed services by Telefónica
Germany GmbH & Co. OHG I'm using most likely do, too. At least some of
the bills where wasted with advertisements and from time to time the
company is taken over by another company. When I signed the contract
years ago the company's name wasn't Telefónica.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

J.B. Nicholson
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You wrote:
> You recommendation to use it in combination with gmail is asking for trouble.
Which is what I explicitly did not recommend. Please read more closely and stop
repeating your virtue signaling over paying for services. It's perfectly reasonable
to pay for services and the original poster has not identified a budget. Mentioning
that not everyone can pay 5 or 10 euros a year for service addresses no questions or
claims.

> A solution could be to get rid of Yahoo by using your own domain and your own
> servers without a provider similar to Yahoo involved. IMO gmail is a provider
> similar to Yahoo.
So Gmail is denounced as "asking for trouble" but Gmail which is "a provider similar
to Yahoo" (no doubt similar in terms of spying like Google as well as other
similarities) is not beyond the pale.
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Re: Yahoo IMAP stopped working ... again

Christopher Marlow-3
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On Wed, 2020-11-18 at 20:48 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
>  You recommendation to use it in combination
> with gmail is asking for trouble.

Can you explain how?

Thanks,
Chris


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