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Abimael Jr
Hi everyone

I recently migrated to Evolution.
I configured my gmail account and calendar as well. 
I have a very specific question regarding notification.

I want or I would like to create an email message to send as a reminder of an appointment. 
The reminder configuration has a "select" where one can choose between:
"shows an alert" 
"play sound"
"run a program" and 
also, "send an email" 
( I translate the texts to English and perhaps that is not the exact text in English)

I am able to select an alert, play a sound or run a program. However, the send email is not able to select, but it appears on the selection.
Is there something that I have to do ? 

I cannot add an screenshot because I am not able to create a screenshot with the selection opened. 

Thanks 
Abimael



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Re: not able to select send email notification

Ralf Mardorf-3
On Sat, 2017-04-22 at 22:33 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
> I recently migrated to Evolution.

Hi,

I can't help you with your Evolution related problem, but with a few
issues you mentioned.

Please, always post the output of

  evolution --version

or get the version from the menu

  Help > About

> I translate the texts to English and perhaps that is not the exact
> text in English

You could launch Evolution temporarily from command line to get English
output. Close evolution and then run

  LANG=C evolution

> I cannot add an screenshot because I am not able to create a
> screenshot with the selection opened. 

If you run a screenshot tool with delay, you could open the selection,
e.g. run

  sleep 5 && import -window root ~/Desktop/screenshot_$(date "+%Y%m%d_%H%M%S").png

or use a GUI, e.g. run

  xfce4-screenshooter

or

  xfce4-screenshooter --delay 5 --window

"import" for Arch Linux is provided by the package "imagemagick" and for
Ubuntu seemingly by the package "graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat".
"xfce4-screenshooter" for Arch Linux and seemingly as well for Ubuntu,
is provided by the package "xfce4-screenshooter".

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: not able to select send email notification

Milan Crha
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On Sat, 2017-04-22 at 22:33 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
> I am able to select an alert, play a sound or run a program. However,
> the send email is not able to select, but it appears on the
> selection.

        Hi,
not every calendar supports sending notifications by email, thus the
option is disabled when the calendar doesn't allow such notification
type. And, well, ehm, briefly checking the evolution code the reminder
notification "daemon" doesn't support mail notifications at all, the
related code contains a comment:
   /* FIXME Implement this. */

That said, either the calendar server knows what to do and itself takes
care of event notifications, or there is no way to receive email
notifications from evolution.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: not able to select send email notification

Andre Klapper
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On Sat, 2017-04-22 at 22:33 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
> I am able to select an alert, play a sound or run a program. However,
> the send email is not able to select, but it appears on the
> selection.
> Is there something that I have to do ? 

The option is only available if the calendar server software supports
it (like a calendar on Exchange servers). As the reminder email needs
to be triggered by the server software. See
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218432#c16

IMHO this should be removed from the user interface.

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Re: not able to select send email notification

Milan Crha
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:03 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> IMHO this should be removed from the user interface.

        Hi,
do you mean rather hide, than disable the option?
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: not able to select send email notification

Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 12:02 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:03 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > IMHO this should be removed from the user interface.
>
> Hi,
> do you mean rather hide, than disable the option?

Yes. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218432#c18
If there is no way for a user to enable that option, that option should
not be displayed and not make the user wonder how to enable it.

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Re: not able to select send email notification

Abimael Jr
Well.
If I can suggest, it would be great use Evolution and set up email reminders. 
If I understand properly, send email is not a feature of Evolution but of the "calendar server" (in this case, Google).
So, as a developer, I do not see that it is difficult just set a reminder to be sent by email. 
I am not a Gnome or Evolution developer, but I think that it should be "easy" to do.
It would atract a lot of people that use Gmail and Google Calendar to use Evolution. 

Abimael

2017-04-24 7:52 GMT-03:00 Andre Klapper <[hidden email]>:
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 12:02 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:03 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > IMHO this should be removed from the user interface.
>
>       Hi,
> do you mean rather hide, than disable the option?

Yes. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218432#c18
If there is no way for a user to enable that option, that option should
not be displayed and not make the user wonder how to enable it.

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Re: not able to select send email notification

Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:44 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote: 
> I am not a Gnome or Evolution developer, but I think that it should
> be "easy" to do.

That's the same category as "I'm not a car mechanic and my car does not
work anymore, but I think that it should be easy to fix." :)

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Re: not able to select send email notification

Pete Biggs
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On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:44 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
> Well.
> If I can suggest, it would be great use Evolution and set up email reminders. 
> If I understand properly, send email is not a feature of Evolution
> but of the "calendar server" (in this case, Google).

Actually, I don't think it would be "great".  Could I ask what it is
that should send out the emails? If it's Evolution, or rather
evolution-alarm-notify, then what should happen if Evolution isn't
running and there's nothing to send the emails out? Whose fault is it
that you miss a reminder? I often have multiple copies of Evolution
running on various machines - do I get an email from each one?

That's why it's a calendar server function, not a client function -
it's the best place for it to happen.

>
> So, as a developer, I do not see that it is difficult just set a
> reminder to be sent by email. 

As a developer you should know that the correct way of doing this is a
feature request in Gnome bugzilla.

> I am not a Gnome or Evolution developer, but I think that it should
> be "easy" to do.

If you aren't a Gnome developer, why do you think it would be easy?

> It would atract a lot of people that use Gmail and Google Calendar to
> use Evolution. 
>
I don't understand what you mean here?  Are you saying that more people
would use Evolution with Google calendars if it had this feature, or
are you saying that people would move away from Google if Evolution
could do it? If the former, then since Evolution can already do this
with Google, it seems a strange statement; if the latter, then why
would we want to attract people away from Google calendar/Gmail -
Evolution works perfectly well with the Google products. Evolution is a
lot more flexible in a client/server environment than if everything is
held on one machine, and Google is well supported in Evolution.

P.


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Re: not able to select send email notification

Abimael Jr

On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:44 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
> Well.
> If I can suggest, it would be great use Evolution and set up email reminders. 
> If I understand properly, send email is not a feature of Evolution
> but of the "calendar server" (in this case, Google).

Actually, I don't think it would be "great".  Could I ask what it is
that should send out the emails? If it's Evolution, or rather
evolution-alarm-notify, then what should happen if Evolution isn't
running and there's nothing to send the emails out? Whose fault is it
that you miss a reminder? I often have multiple copies of Evolution
running on various machines - do I get an email from each one?

That's why it's a calendar server function, not a client function -
it's the best place for it to happen.


I think that it is a misunderstanding. 
I know that it's a calendar server function. 

>
> So, as a developer, I do not see that it is difficult just set a
> reminder to be sent by email. 

As a developer you should know that the correct way of doing this is a
feature request in Gnome bugzilla.

> I am not a Gnome or Evolution developer, but I think that it should
> be "easy" to do.

If you aren't a Gnome developer, why do you think it would be easy?

I think that it would be easy because it 's just  a "record to Google know how to notify". Also, as 
Evolution displays to send an email (but it disabled) it is because Evolution "knows" that Google is able to send emails as reminders or reminders via email. 
I really was not being rude and did not want to offend. If i did, please accept my apologizes. 



> It would atract a lot of people that use Gmail and Google Calendar to
> use Evolution. 
>
I don't understand what you mean here?  Are you saying that more people
would use Evolution with Google calendars if it had this feature, or
are you saying that people would move away from Google if Evolution
could do it? If the former, then since Evolution can already do this
with Google, it seems a strange statement; if the latter, then why
would we want to attract people away from Google calendar/Gmail -
Evolution works perfectly well with the Google products. Evolution is a
lot more flexible in a client/server environment than if everything is
held on one machine, and Google is well supported in Evolution.


What are I was tring to say is: if people realize that there is a great email client as Evolution
that it is able to manage Gmail email  and Google calendar as they use in a (Google or Gmail) webpage, I think or I guess that they would prefer use Evolution, because Evolution it clear, lighter than a webpage and, as you mentioned properly, Google is well supported in Evolution. 
However, my point is, it is very well supported, but I am not able to set reminders via email . 







2017-04-24 12:42 GMT-03:00 Pete Biggs <[hidden email]>:
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 11:44 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
> Well.
> If I can suggest, it would be great use Evolution and set up email reminders. 
> If I understand properly, send email is not a feature of Evolution
> but of the "calendar server" (in this case, Google).

Actually, I don't think it would be "great".  Could I ask what it is
that should send out the emails? If it's Evolution, or rather
evolution-alarm-notify, then what should happen if Evolution isn't
running and there's nothing to send the emails out? Whose fault is it
that you miss a reminder? I often have multiple copies of Evolution
running on various machines - do I get an email from each one?

That's why it's a calendar server function, not a client function -
it's the best place for it to happen.

>
> So, as a developer, I do not see that it is difficult just set a
> reminder to be sent by email. 

As a developer you should know that the correct way of doing this is a
feature request in Gnome bugzilla.

> I am not a Gnome or Evolution developer, but I think that it should
> be "easy" to do.

If you aren't a Gnome developer, why do you think it would be easy?

> It would atract a lot of people that use Gmail and Google Calendar to
> use Evolution. 
>
I don't understand what you mean here?  Are you saying that more people
would use Evolution with Google calendars if it had this feature, or
are you saying that people would move away from Google if Evolution
could do it? If the former, then since Evolution can already do this
with Google, it seems a strange statement; if the latter, then why
would we want to attract people away from Google calendar/Gmail -
Evolution works perfectly well with the Google products. Evolution is a
lot more flexible in a client/server environment than if everything is
held on one machine, and Google is well supported in Evolution.

P.


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Re: not able to select send email notification

Pete Biggs
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 16:23 -0300, Abimael Jr wrote:
>

You really need to sort out your quoting - there was no indication what
is my text and your text ...


> What are I was tring to say is: if people realize that there is a
> great email client as Evolution
> that it is able to manage Gmail email  and Google calendar as they
> use in a (Google or Gmail) webpage, I think or I guess that they
> would prefer use Evolution, because Evolution it clear, lighter than
> a webpage and, as you mentioned properly, Google is well supported in
> Evolution. 
> However, my point is, it is very well supported, but I am not able to
> set reminders via email . 

Yes you can with Google calendars. "Send an email" is an available (and
enabled) option for me when creating an entry in my Google Calendars
within Evolution. It's not enabled for local calendars. This where the
confusion is - I was under the impression that you wanted to make "Send
an Email" an option for a local calendar entry - and I thought that
because what you are talking about *already exists* for remote
calendars that support it, including Google Calendars.

I suspect this is all because you are using an older version of
Evolution - you were asked at the very start of this thread to give the
 version of Evolution that you use, but you never did so. Versions are
important because things change.

P.

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