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Selador
Mint 18.3 Evolution 3.18.5.2

Here's the problem:

When I move something on my computer, (evolution), it moves, online as
well. When I delete something online, it deletes on my computer as well.
Etc.

I used to be able to watch emails online. Delete what I didn't want.
Download what I did want. Then delete what was left online.

The emails I did want, then remained on my computer.

Now, if I want to save an email. I HAVE to leave it online as well.

Worse, it has to remain in the same name folder...

That sucks!

I noticed there is no longer an option in "receiving options", for
"leave messages on server". Is this part of the problem?

I don't WANT everything I do on one or the other, mirrored to the other.

I want what is online, to be online. And what is on my computer, to be
on my computer. And -I- want to be the one who decides what is where,
and for how long!!!

Is there a fix for this?

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Re: sync

Andre Klapper
Hi,

On Wed, 2018-01-17 at 10:50 -0800, Selador wrote:

> Mint 18.3 Evolution 3.18.5.2
>
> When I move something on my computer, (evolution), it moves, online as
> well. When I delete something online, it deletes on my computer as well.
> Etc.
>
> I used to be able to watch emails online. Delete what I didn't want.
> Download what I did want. Then delete what was left online.
>
> The emails I did want, then remained on my computer.
>
> Now, if I want to save an email. I HAVE to leave it online as well.
>
> Worse, it has to remain in the same name folder...

Move things to a local archive folder?

> I noticed there is no longer an option in "receiving options", for
> "leave messages on server". Is this part of the problem?

That option still DOES exist for POP accounts (and does not make any
sense for IMAP accounts). Hence I cannot confirm your experience.

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Re: sync

Pete Biggs
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On Wed, 2018-01-17 at 10:50 -0800, Selador wrote:
> Mint 18.3 Evolution 3.18.5.2
>

Critical information here is also what protocol you are using to access
your mail - IMAP or POP (or something else)

> Here's the problem:
>
> When I move something on my computer, (evolution), it moves, online as
> well. When I delete something online, it deletes on my computer as well.
> Etc.
>
> I used to be able to watch emails online. Delete what I didn't want.
> Download what I did want. Then delete what was left online.
>
> The emails I did want, then remained on my computer.
>
> Now, if I want to save an email. I HAVE to leave it online as well.
>
> Worse, it has to remain in the same name folder...

That all sounds like correct behaviour for an IMAP connection - and how
it has behaved for many, many years.

>
> That sucks!
>
> I noticed there is no longer an option in "receiving options", for
> "leave messages on server". Is this part of the problem?

That is a POP3 option, not IMAP - with IMAP everything is on the
server, always, and what you see in Evolution mirrors what's on the
server.  With POP3 you download the mail to your local machine and by
default it is then removed from the server - unless you have set "leave
messages on server".

>
> I don't WANT everything I do on one or the other, mirrored to the other.
>
> I want what is online, to be online. And what is on my computer, to be
> on my computer. And -I- want to be the one who decides what is where,
> and for how long!!!
>
> Is there a fix for this?

It sounds like you have configured the account to use IMAP when you
really wanted POP. You can check this by going to

 Edit -> Preferences -> (Account name) -> Edit -> Receiving E-mail

the top line of that page should say "Server Type: IMAP" (or POP)

Also POP mail is delivered into the "On This Computer" INBOX (in the
absence of any filters), IMAP mail will be in a folder tree headed with
the Account Name (usually the email address).

P.


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Re: sync

Gijs Peskens
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If you want to keep using IMAP as a protocol (which I assume you use
currently)
Either you would create an offline archive folder to store messages in.
Or you would create folders on the server where you store messages you
want to keep. That way your online inbox can still be emptied (because
messages are moved to another folder) /and/ you will have local (as
well as online if you choose for an online folder) access to the mail.

Gijs

On Wed, 2018-01-17 at 10:50 -0800, Selador wrote:

> Mint 18.3 Evolution 3.18.5.2
>
> Here's the problem:
>
> When I move something on my computer, (evolution), it moves, online
> as
> well. When I delete something online, it deletes on my computer as
> well.
> Etc.
>
> I used to be able to watch emails online. Delete what I didn't want.
> Download what I did want. Then delete what was left online.
>
> The emails I did want, then remained on my computer.
>
> Now, if I want to save an email. I HAVE to leave it online as well.
>
> Worse, it has to remain in the same name folder...
>
> That sucks!
>
> I noticed there is no longer an option in "receiving options", for
> "leave messages on server". Is this part of the problem?
>
> I don't WANT everything I do on one or the other, mirrored to the
> other.
>
> I want what is online, to be online. And what is on my computer, to
> be
> on my computer. And -I- want to be the one who decides what is
> where,
> and for how long!!!
>
> Is there a fix for this?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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Reply Header Order?

MrObvious
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Hello. Is there a way to change the format of the reply headers or forward headers? I was wondering if it was possible to make it function like Outlook?

I realize that Outlook butchers a lot of things, but a lot of people use it and it would be nice to have some way to have it standard.

I don't like the small one line reply headers for some reason.

Thanks!
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Re: Reply Header Order?

Milan Crha
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 09:21 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Hello. Is there a way to change the format of the reply headers or
> forward headers?

        Hi,
what do you mean with those headers, please? Is it the first line of
this message, or anything else?

> I was wondering if it was possible to make it function like Outlook?

I'm sorry, what does "function like Outlook" mean here, please?
Consider not everyone uses outlook, thus the statement doesn't mean
anything to many of us here (or to me at least).
        Thanks and bye,
        Milan
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Re: Reply Header Order?

MrObvious
Instead of the default order, it looks like this:

From: xxx 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:42 PM
To: xxx <[hidden email]>
Cc: (same as to)
Subject: yyyyyy

Make sense?

On 1月 18 2018, at 11:50 中午, Milan Crha <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 09:21 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
Hello. Is there a way to change the format of the reply headers or
forward headers?

Hi,
what do you mean with those headers, please? Is it the first line of
this message, or anything else?

I was wondering if it was possible to make it function like Outlook?

I'm sorry, what does "function like Outlook" mean here, please?
Consider not everyone uses outlook, thus the statement doesn't mean
anything to many of us here (or to me at least).
Thanks and bye,
Milan
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Re: Reply Header Order?

Milan Crha
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 11:50 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Instead of the default order, it looks like this:
>
> From: xxx
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:42 PM
> To: xxx <[hidden email]>
> Cc: (same as to)
> Subject: yyyyyy
>
> Make sense?

        Hi,
I'm sorry, I may sound dumb, but that means in the message preview,
right? You said "Reply Header Order", while these look like headers in
the message preview. If that's it, then you can enable/disable/add them
at Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Headers, but you cannot change
order there. Nonetheless, it's doable, when you use something like
dconf-editor, open /org/gnome/evolution/mail/show-headers key and
change the order there.

I do not know whether anyone requested a change to this in bugzilla,
but it might not be too hard to add, in the Headers tab.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Reply Header Order?

MrObvious
Milan,

Thanks again. No I mean when you reply to an e-mail or forward an e-mail.

On 1月 18 2018, at 12:03 中午, Milan Crha <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 11:50 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
Instead of the default order, it looks like this:

From: xxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:42 PM
To: xxx <[hidden email]>
Cc: (same as to)
Subject: yyyyyy

Make sense?

Hi,
I'm sorry, I may sound dumb, but that means in the message preview,
right? You said "Reply Header Order", while these look like headers in
the message preview. If that's it, then you can enable/disable/add them
at Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Headers, but you cannot change
order there. Nonetheless, it's doable, when you use something like
dconf-editor, open /org/gnome/evolution/mail/show-headers key and
change the order there.

I do not know whether anyone requested a change to this in bugzilla,
but it might not be too hard to add, in the Headers tab.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: Reply Header Order?

Andre Klapper
For comparison, when forwarding as quoted:

On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 11:50 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Instead of the default order, it looks like this:
>
> From: xxx
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:42 PM
> To: xxx <[hidden email]>
> Cc: (same as to)
> Subject: yyyyyy

While Evolution uses:

> From: xxx
> To: yyy
> Cc: zzz
> Subject: foo
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:03:58 -0600

Paul, could you explain why this is important to you? Because I'm
reluctant to introduce code and yet another setting for such things
(maintenance costs for years) if there is not a convincing reason.

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Re: Reply Header Order?

MrObvious
Mainly  because I live in the land of Outlook users and Evolution seems to be the  most compatible to Outlook in terms of functionality.

I know Outlook mangles a lot of things, but it would be helpful. It's a small thing I understand.

Thanks for listening.

On 1月 18 2018, at 12:11 中午, Andre Klapper <[hidden email]> wrote:
For comparison, when forwarding as quoted:

On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 11:50 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
Instead of the default order, it looks like this:

From: xxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:42 PM
To: xxx <[hidden email]>
Cc: (same as to)
Subject: yyyyyy

While Evolution uses:

From: xxx
To: yyy
Cc: zzz
Subject: foo
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:03:58 -0600

Paul, could you explain why this is important to you? Because I'm
reluctant to introduce code and yet another setting for such things
(maintenance costs for years) if there is not a convincing reason.

andre
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Re: Reply Header Order?

Milan Crha
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        Hi,

On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 12:03 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Thanks again. No I mean when you reply to an e-mail or forward an e-
> mail.
       
Aah, I see, you use "Reply Style: Inline (Outlook style)". That makes
sense. It uses the same order of headers as the headers in the preview
panel, thus the dconf-editor trick described earlier will do it too.
        Bye,
        Milan
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Re: Reply Header Order?

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Here's the result...

<img src="evo-file:///usr/share/evolution/images/minus.png" class="navigable" id="__evo-collapse-headers-img" style="border: 0px; cursor: pointer; margin-right: 4px;">
From:Milan Crha <[hidden email]>
To:[hidden email]
Subject:Re: [Evolution] Reply Header Order?
Date:Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:25 PM

But notice the reply headers. Also what bugs me is there isn't a space between the last line and where you said "Hi,".

-----Original Message-----

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:25:05 +0100
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Reply Header Order?
From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
	Hi,

On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 12:03 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
Thanks again. No I mean when you reply to an e-mail or forward an e- mail.
Aah, I see, you use "Reply Style: Inline (Outlook style)". That makes sense. It uses the same order of headers as the headers in the preview panel, thus the dconf-editor trick described earlier will do it too. Bye, Milan _______________________________________________ evolution-list mailing list [hidden email] To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

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Re: Reply Header Order?

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Alright getting closer. I had to uncheck all the headers in Edit, Preferences, Mail Preferences, Headers, then add the headers in the following order: Date, Subject, CC, To, From.

Two questions remaining: 1) How do I format the date to be more like Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:25 PM instead of Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:38:00 -0600? 2) How do I add a space between the bottom header and the message body (between "Date..." and "Here's the result...")?

I'm playing with Date/Time Format but not getting any closer. %A, %B %d, %Y %I:%M %p is my Table and Date header and "Show original header value" is unchecked

-----Original Message-----

From: Paul Stejskal <[hidden email]>
To: Milan Crha <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Reply Header Order?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:38:00 -0600
Here's the result...

<img src="evo-file:///usr/share/evolution/images/minus.png" class="navigable" id="__evo-collapse-headers-img" style="border: 0px; cursor: pointer; margin-right: 4px;">
From:Milan Crha <[hidden email]>
To:[hidden email]
Subject:Re: [Evolution] Reply Header Order?
Date:Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:25 PM

But notice the reply headers. Also what bugs me is there isn't a space between the last line and where you said "Hi,".

-----Original Message-----

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:25:05 +0100
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Reply Header Order?
From: Milan Crha <mcrha@...>
	Hi,

On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 12:03 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
Thanks again. No I mean when you reply to an e-mail or forward an e- mail.
Aah, I see, you use "Reply Style: Inline (Outlook style)". That makes sense. It uses the same order of headers as the headers in the preview panel, thus the dconf-editor trick described earlier will do it too. Bye, Milan _______________________________________________ evolution-list mailing list [hidden email] To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

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Re: Reply Header Order?

Milan Crha
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 14:53 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Alright getting closer. I had to uncheck all the headers in Edit,
> Preferences, Mail Preferences, Headers, then add the headers in the
> following order: Date, Subject, CC, To, From.

        Hi,
I see, that's another option.

> Two questions remaining: 1) How do I format the date to be more like
> Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:25 PM instead of Thu, 18 Jan 2018
> 14:38:00 -0600?

It's not possible at the moment, there is used the raw value from the
header (as can be seen in the message source). Feel free to file a
request for enhancement. Whether it might share the setting or have a
new format added is a question. I'd be for sharing the option myself.

> 2) How do I add a space between the bottom header and the message
> body (between "Date..." and "Here's the result...")?

That sounds like a bug.

        Bye,
        Milan

P.S.: by the way, Ctrl+L replies to the list, even some people here
prefer Reply to All. Reply to list works better for me. HTML on this
list is sort of bad, the same as the "outlook style" reply (it's harder
to read when not using top posting, which is also kind of bad on this
list), but I can understand that you are used to it from your work
environment, which makes perfect sense.
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Re: Reply Header Order?

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 07:45 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> P.S.: by the way, Ctrl+L replies to the list, even some people here
> prefer Reply to All. Reply to list works better for me. HTML on this
> list is sort of bad, the same as the "outlook style" reply (it's harder
> to read when not using top posting, which is also kind of bad on this
> list), but I can understand that you are used to it from your work
> environment, which makes perfect sense.

Just to reiterate: list members are encouraged to use Reply to List
when possible, but unfortunately when someone on a thread uses Reply To
All then all subsequent replies on that subthread are forced to use it
too.

Regarding top-posting: what is common practice in corporate or private
emails is not the preferred style on mailing lists. The culture is
different and the *strong* preference, especially for those who use
mailing lists a lot, is to employ the in-line style of selectively
quoting the parts we want to comment on, with the relevant comment
following the quote. This is much easier to read, particularly in long
nested comments. The top-posting style also wastefully copies the
entire context of the message over and over again to no purpose
(everything is available on the list archive anyway).

Cheers

poc
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Re: Reply Header Order?

MrObvious

On 1月 19 2018, at 5:00 凌晨, Patrick O'Callaghan <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 07:45 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
P.S.: by the way, Ctrl+L replies to the list, even some people here
prefer Reply to All. Reply to list works better for me. HTML on this
list is sort of bad, the same as the "outlook style" reply (it's harder
to read when not using top posting, which is also kind of bad on this
list), but I can understand that you are used to it from your work
environment, which makes perfect sense.

Just to reiterate: list members are encouraged to use Reply to List
when possible, but unfortunately when someone on a thread uses Reply To
All then all subsequent replies on that subthread are forced to use it
too.

Regarding top-posting: what is common practice in corporate or private
emails is not the preferred style on mailing lists. The culture is
different and the *strong* preference, especially for those who use
mailing lists a lot, is to employ the in-line style of selectively
quoting the parts we want to comment on, with the relevant comment
following the quote. This is much easier to read, particularly in long
nested comments. The top-posting style also wastefully copies the
entire context of the message over and over again to no purpose
(everything is available on the list archive anyway).

Cheers

poc

Alright noted. I will correct my habits.

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Re: Reply Header Order?

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 15:23 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:

>
>
> On 1月 19 2018, at 5:00 凌晨, Patrick O'Callaghan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 07:45 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> > > P.S.: by the way, Ctrl+L replies to the list, even some people here
> > > prefer Reply to All. Reply to list works better for me. HTML on this
> > > list is sort of bad, the same as the "outlook style" reply (it's harder
> > > to read when not using top posting, which is also kind of bad on this
> > > list), but I can understand that you are used to it from your work
> > > environment, which makes perfect sense.
> >  
> > Just to reiterate: list members are encouraged to use Reply to List
> > when possible, but unfortunately when someone on a thread uses Reply To
> > All then all subsequent replies on that subthread are forced to use it
> > too.
> >
> > Regarding top-posting: what is common practice in corporate or private
> > emails is not the preferred style on mailing lists. The culture is
> > different and the *strong* preference, especially for those who use
> > mailing lists a lot, is to employ the in-line style of selectively
> > quoting the parts we want to comment on, with the relevant comment
> > following the quote. This is much easier to read, particularly in long
> > nested comments. The top-posting style also wastefully copies the
> > entire context of the message over and over again to no purpose
> > (everything is available on the list archive anyway).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > poc
> >
>
> Alright noted. I will correct my habits.

Cheers

poc
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Composer Font Color?

MrObvious
Hello.

Is there a way to change the font color? This gray color can be a bit hard to read. I'd like to make
it black.

Thanks!
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Re: Composer Font Color?

Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2018-01-24 at 10:19 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Is there a way to change the font color? This gray color can be a bit hard to read. I'd like to make
> it black.

That's part of the Gnome settings, not Evolution.

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